OK, Folks....Now it may (?) be my turn to go shopping.
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Excellent point.......although, in most cases, FWD and AWD makes rocking less likely to be necessary than with RWD. Even electronic traction control is often of only limited usefulness with RWD.
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I rocked my TSX in the snow more than once with a gated shifter and it was fine. I don't really get the issue.
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It turned out to be an excellent car. ...with few problems outside of some transmission-shift quirks now and then (and that, of course, is when I joined CL). If I had any later misgivings about that particular transaction, I probably regret not getting an ES 300/330 instead....it had a nicer interior, rode more comfortably, and had better winter traction. But I liked that yellow paint job and the unusual chronograph gauges and chrome-ball shifter. The 1Gen IS was, IMO, also more solidly-built than the 2Gen and 3Gen.
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I took a new G80 out for a test-drive today......3.8L AWD (RWD, for me, is out of the question). Listed around 45K. Quite impressed with it...very well-built, solid-closing doors, interior trim and fit/finish even better than the 2Gen Hyundai Genesis I had sampled a few years ago (the G80, of course, replaces the almost-identical Hyundai Genesis). I especially liked the no-nonsense, conventional fore/aft PRNDL shifter.......which, sadly, is lacking in several of its competitors. I didn't like the oversized front grille, though, which was too Audi-like, and the general ride comfort, though good, wasn't quite up to that of the relatively cushy 18"-tire-Lacrosse (the Lacrosse 20" wheels and Hi-per-strut suspension option are unacceptable...too stiff). Still a good enough car, though, that the G80 now surpasses the Lincoln MKZ as #2 consideration on my list now (behind the #1 Lacrosse). I'd buy a G80 before the (current) Lexus ES....and Genesis now has a "Blue Link" feature for emergencies that is similar to GM's widely-aclaimed On-Star.
Although the Lacrosse's E-shifter s**ks, you can't turn off the idle-stop feature, and it's hardware/assembly is not quite as solid as the G80's, I still feel more at home in it, though, than with any of its competitors. And, unlike the G80, it (and some ES models) are built here at home with American labor. The MKZ is built primarily at the Hermosillo, Mexico plant.
Although the Lacrosse's E-shifter s**ks, you can't turn off the idle-stop feature, and it's hardware/assembly is not quite as solid as the G80's, I still feel more at home in it, though, than with any of its competitors. And, unlike the G80, it (and some ES models) are built here at home with American labor. The MKZ is built primarily at the Hermosillo, Mexico plant.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I took a new G80 out for a test-drive today......3.8L AWD (RWD, for me, is out of the question). Listed around 45K. Quite impressed with it...very well-built, solid-closing doors, linterior trim and fit/finish even better than the 2Gen Hyundai Genesis I had sampled a few years ago (the G80, of course, replaces the almost-identical Hyundai Genesis). I especially liked the no-nonsense, conventional fore/aft PRNDL shifter.......which, sadly, is lacking in several of its competitors. I didn't like the oversized front grille, though, which was too Audi-like, and the general ride comfort, though good, wasn't quite up to that of the relatively cushy 18"-tire-Lacrosse. (the Lacrosse 20" wheels are unacceptable). Still a good enough car, though, that the G80 now surpasses the Lincoln MKZ as #2 consideration on my list now (behind the #1 Lacrosse). I'd buy a G80 before the (current) Lexus ES....and Genesis now has a "Blue Link" feature for emergencies that is similar to GM's widely-aclaimed On-Star.
Although the Lacrosse's E-shifter s**ks, you can't turn off the idle-stop feature, and it's hardware/assembly is not quite as solid as the G80's, I still feel more at home in it, though, than with any of its competitors. And, unlike the G80, it (and some ES models) are built here at home with American labor. The MKZ is built primarily at the Hermosillo, Mexico plant.
Although the Lacrosse's E-shifter s**ks, you can't turn off the idle-stop feature, and it's hardware/assembly is not quite as solid as the G80's, I still feel more at home in it, though, than with any of its competitors. And, unlike the G80, it (and some ES models) are built here at home with American labor. The MKZ is built primarily at the Hermosillo, Mexico plant.
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Of course lol, but anyways imo call me biased all you want I would never choose any genesis over a Lexus. And I own a es so let a lone choose a g80 over a es. Just my imo. The es looks way better inside out. The g80 reminds me to much of a Hyundai inside. And the next gen es will blow the competition out of the water for sure. Come on now just look at the pics of my es vs a g80. Anyways just my 2 cents guys.
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My neighbor has a new Kia K900. It's surprisingly classy looking. If it drives anywhere near as well as it looks, I would definitely consider it. I'm past the stigma of Kia and Hyundai reliability. The predecessor to my ES was a Hyundai Sonata. It was pretty much problem free for 5 years, 80k+ miles of ownership. I probably would have kept it if not for a random CEL it produced just after an emissions test.
If Lexus doesn't step up their game, the Korean's may give them the body shot they never saw coming. It's dog eat dog right now. (no pun intended)
If Lexus doesn't step up their game, the Korean's may give them the body shot they never saw coming. It's dog eat dog right now. (no pun intended)
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I too would choose a G80 over an ES, just a more upscale car, proper longitudinal engine layout. Feels (and is) a class above the ES, it really competes with the 5 Series just value priced closer to the ES.
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My neighbor has a new Kia K900. It's surprisingly classy looking. If it drives anywhere near as well as it looks, I would definitely consider it. I'm past the stigma of Kia and Hyundai reliability. The predecessor to my ES was a Hyundai Sonata. It was pretty much problem free for 5 years, 80k+ miles of ownership. I probably would have kept it if not for a random CEL it produced just after an emissions test.
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If Lexus doesn't step up their game, the Korean's may give them the body shot they never saw coming. It's dog eat dog right now. (no pun intended)
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While I have a 10 LS460, I test drove a 14 Equus, Genesis (5.0!) and K900 over the past 12 months. There are some stellar buys to be had here (the 15 K900 I looked at was in the low $30s...and I'd rather have that than a V6 Camry!). There was a problematic issues with one of the engines of the Genesis V8's early on, but I think that's just growing pains for Hyundai. Very interested to see how Genesis evolves and is accepted to the mainstream luxury marketplace; competition is always good for the market as folks like Audi (update the A8 already!), Daimler, BMW won't take their leadership pole positions for granted.
Side note: ~75% of BMW deliveries (either in 2014 or 2015) were leases....this means a TON of them are going to hit the market soon. I'm shocked the lease # is that high, BMW can't count on low-interest leases for their retail delivery strategy anymore now that the Fed has bumped up the rate (and will continue to bump them up) in 2017. Daimler wasn't far behind; I'm willing to bet leases are a minority among Lexus purchases.
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Tbh I'm not gonna put up any fight. Not tryna get kicked out of car chat. But I will say one thing this is a Lexus forum and besides me and a couple of other people everyone here says oh my next car won't be a Lexus, and they all prefer a different car other than Lexus. I creol around the BMW and Benz forum it is completely opposite. Even if there brand car is garbage they would choose it over a different brand due to loyalty. Now that I'm done with my rant, again I would choose a es over any genesis product, that's just me I truly love my es it's my baby. And you have to keep in mind that this gen es is slowly closing out and the next one will be exceptional at least I think so. A lot of people will call the g80 "Hyundai genesis g80" and I don't blame them one bit cause other than the missing Hyundai logo, that's exactly what it is. The interior says so.
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