April 2017 Sales Thread
05-03-17, 07:38 PM
#31
I am expecting the Ioniq sales to swell too.
They are doing something interesting with their positioning.
Basically saying that there are a wide range of kinds of folks interested in driving a hybrid (for better fuel economy), many of which wanting what amounts to a normal looking car.
I guess the Prius individuality/presence screams tree hugger to folks and the potential Ioniq customers do not want that association.
They are doing something interesting with their positioning.
Basically saying that there are a wide range of kinds of folks interested in driving a hybrid (for better fuel economy), many of which wanting what amounts to a normal looking car.
I guess the Prius individuality/presence screams tree hugger to folks and the potential Ioniq customers do not want that association.
05-03-17, 09:14 PM
#32
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i see 5:1 g80's to gs where i live, easy. still haven't seen a g90 but there's quite a lot of ls in my town.
05-04-17, 04:35 AM
#33
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Hybrids
http://www.hybridcars.com/april-2017-dashboard/
April 2017 Dashboardby Jeff Cobb May 3, 2017
The HybridCars.com monthly sales Dashboard is a collaboration of HybridCars.com and Baum & Associates, a Michigan-based market research firm focusing on automotive issues including the hybrid and electric vehicle market.Overall sales for April were down from a year ago and down from March. Clearly, sales this year are down from a year ago and this trend is likely to continue although the overall decline is modest and sales remain strong. However, as compared to last April, sales of battery electrics, plug ins, and hybrids were all up.
The HybridCars.com monthly sales Dashboard is a collaboration of HybridCars.com and Baum & Associates, a Michigan-based market research firm focusing on automotive issues including the hybrid and electric vehicle market.Overall sales for April were down from a year ago and down from March. Clearly, sales this year are down from a year ago and this trend is likely to continue although the overall decline is modest and sales remain strong. However, as compared to last April, sales of battery electrics, plug ins, and hybrids were all up.
All-Electric
Sales for full electric vehicles were up from last year on the strength of the Bolt and Leaf, although Leaf sales were down compared to March. Sales of the Model S and Model X (estimated) were in line with year ago and down from March as the first month of a new quarter is generally weak. Bolt sales have been consistent, and that is not a good thing as sales in April of 1292 are the best so far, but not far above the average of around 1,000 per month since the model has been out of launch mode. We do expect volumes will increase as the model is eventually provided nationwide, but the rate of increase is slow and we do not expect the model to sell at a rate that corresponds to the strong technical capabilities of the product.Plug-in Hybrids
Plug in hybrids had a good month as compared to last month and year-ago, as the growth rates for the category were greater than the overall market. In fact, year-to-date, volumes are up dramatically based primarily on the Prius Prime which was released late last year. The Volt is also doing relatively well, again based upon an updated product. In April, each of these models sold just sort of 2,000 copies each. The CT6 plug in hybrid has now been launched, although volumes are extremely modest. The vehicle is being built in China and sales are likely to be very modest going forward. The Hyundai Ioniq Plug In is also new and volumes remain modest.Hybrids
Hybrids had a good month in line with plug in hybrids, with the category having a greater increase than the overall market. “Normalcy” returned to the category, with the Prius Liftback again the best-selling hybrid. That said, sales of almost 6,000 units is far below historical results and not impressive given that this product is early in its current product cycle. The Camry hybrid is struggling, while the Highlander hybrid is doing very well, in line with the results of the underlying (non-hybrid) models. The Kia Niro hybrid is new and doing very well. This is interesting, because this nameplate is only being offered in hybrid and electric form (a plug in hybrid will come later) and it is a crossover which is of course a popular style.SEE ALSO: March 2017 Dashboard
The RAV4 hybrid continues to do well and is the second most popular Toyota hybrid. The Hyundai Ioniq hybrid is also new and is offered as a sedan and sales are increasing. While Toyota continues to pace the segment, its share of 55% appears to be the “new normal,” suggesting that new products from other makers are permanently weakening Toyota’s strong market position. In fact, Hyundai and Kia have been quite clear that this is in fact their goal. Hybrid share is at its highest level since September 2016 and before that September 2015 which gives further support to the importance of the new products such as the RAV4 and the Niro and Ioniq.Diesels
The size of the diesel segment is currently controlled by which products can be offered. The Ram Pickup, which has been a category leader, remains off the market while FCA and the EPA continue to discuss how and when the product can reappear. As a result, the Transit diesel remains the category leader. However, there is a major change this month with the reappearance of a number of VW products (including one Audi product). This is based on an agreement that has brought certain models with 2.0 liter engines (Model Year 2015 and an abbreviated 2016 only) into compliance with a software-only modification. The Golf Sportwagon jumped to the second most popular product in the category, and other products reappeared including the Passat, Jetta, Beetle, and Touareg, along with the Audi A3.April 2017 Hybrid Car Sales Numbers
05-04-17, 07:23 AM
#34
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why are diesels mentioned in the 'hybrid cars report'?
05-05-17, 03:54 AM
#36
I don't think Lexus' sales numbers represent that people are turning away from the spindle design because by that assumption, that means people are turning away from Mercedes design as well and even more (9%+) are turning away from BMW design.
05-05-17, 04:28 AM
#37
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Lexus
http://www.autonews.com/article/20170502/RETAIL01/170429843/u-s-sales-fall-4-7-in-april-as-car-slump-drags-on
U.S. sales fall 4.7% in April as car slump drags on
Detroit 3, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Hyundai fail to counter skid with trucks
May 2, 2017 @ 9:15 am
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At American Honda, U.S. car sales skidded 11 percent in April.
U.S. light-vehicle sales dropped 4.7 percent last month as the biggest automakers posted declines and ever-rising incentives failed to shake the industry from its longest slump in years.
April marked the fourth consecutive monthly setback for U.S. sales and extended the longest losing streak since the market bottomed out in 2009. Car deliveries were down again, off 11 percent, while truck volume dipped 0.1 percent. It was the 1st time monthly light-truck deliveries dropped year over year since Sept. 2013.
The seasonally adjusted annual sales rate came in at 16.92 million, below forecasts of 17.1 million. Yet automakers remain optimistic even with sales now off 2.4 percent for the year and momentum falling during the key spring selling season.
“When you look at the broader economy, including a strong job market, rising wages, low inflation and low interest rates, and couple them to low fuel prices and strong consumer confidence, you have everything you need for auto sales to weather headwinds and remain at or near historic highs,” Mustafa Mohatarem, GM’s chief economist, said in a statement.
Ford Motor Co. and American Honda fell about 7 percent. General Motors recorded its 1st dip since January amid a continuing retreat from lower-profit fleet sales. Nissan Motor Co., which has embraced a volume-boosting fleet strategy, ended a 5-month winning streak. Toyota Motor Corp. volume fell for a 4th straight month. Fiat Chrysler, also backing off fleet sales, hasn’t seen a sales gain since August.
Overall, analysts expected U.S. light-vehicle deliveries to drop as much as 4 percent. There was 1 fewer selling day last month than in April 2016.
U.S. volume had slipped 1.6 percent through the first quarter as strong demand for crossovers and other light trucks failed to offset soft car sales. The SAAR fell to 16.6 million in March, the lowest pace since February 2015.
Automaker by automakerApril demand at GM slipped 5.8 percent behind a 10 percent decline at Chevrolet and 0.3 percent dip at GMC. Volume rose 17 percent at Buick and 9.5 percent at Cadillac. GM said its car sales declined 13 percent in April.
Ford's sales dropped 7.1 percent, with the Ford brand falling 7.4 percent and Lincoln down 0.9 percent. It was the fourth straight monthly decline for Ford. The company said car deliveries slumped 21 percent, while SUV deliveries edged up 1.2 percent and pickup demand slid 4.2 percent.
At Toyota, volume slipped 4.4 percent last month, with the Toyota brand down 3.5 percent and Lexus off 11 percent. Toyota said its car deliveries slipped 12 percent.
U.S. sales of passenger cars are on track to decline for the fourth straight year in 2017 as low gasoline prices and improved fuel economy encourage more consumers to consider crossovers and SUVs.“The industry’s appetite for SUV and light-truck sales remains strong,” said Jack Hollis, general manager of the Toyota division.
Nissan, in posting its 1st monthly decline since October, said volume dipped 2 percent at the Nissan brand but rose 3.5 percent at Infiniti. Overall, combined deliveries of passenger car models at Nissan and Infiniti declined 12 percent.
FCA US sales fell 6.6 percent, their eighth straight month of decline. All of its brands were down, with the exception of Ram (up 5.3 percent) and low-volume Alfa Romeo, which sold 677 vehicles. Dodge decreased 2.6 percent, Chrysler 3.3 percent, Jeep 17 percent and Fiat 18 percent.
At Honda, deliveries slid 7 percent behind a drop of 6.3 percent at the Honda division and 13 percent at Acura.
Volume slipped 0.9 percent at Hyundai and 5.6 percent at Kia.
The Volkswagen brand bucked the industry’s downward trend, posting a 1.6 percent increase in volume, its sixth consecutive gain. Sales also rose 3.9 percent last month at Subaru, keeping the company on pace to set a ninth straight annual record for U.S. volume. But April deliveries slipped 13 percent at Mitsubishi and 7.8 percent at Mazda.
Among other luxury brands, April volume rose at Audi, Jaguar, Land Rover and Volvo but dropped at BMW and Mercedes-Benz.
“Over the past 6 months we’ve watched nearly every automaker go from positive to negative sales volume, confirming the plateau in this latest sales cycle. The last time we moved into negative territory it was part of an overall economic downturn that was accompanied by massive disruption across the auto industry," said Karl Brauer, an analyst for Autotrader and Kelley Blue Book. "This transition should be much smoother, with ongoing near-record sales supported by strong economic indicators. The big shift this time, however, is the rapid drop in sedan sales as SUVs stake their claim as the hot ticket. Automakers will continue shifting resources to accommodate this new buying trend in the coming years, which in and of itself could prove disruptive.”
Slow 2016 selldown
Multiple brands -- Chevrolet, Mitsubishi, Jeep, GMC, Porsche, VW, Cadillac, Acura, Fiat, Buick and Alfa Romeo -- started April with U.S. inventories that topped 90 days or more, well above the 60-day level considered optimal.
“We’re seeing a dramatic lag in the 2016 model-year selldown," said Jessica Caldwell, executive director of industry analysis at Edmunds. "In April, 8 percent of vehicles sold were 2016 models, up from only 3 percent 5 years ago. Inventory buildup is a top concern of automakers and all eyes are on whether cuts in production are enough to offset expected dips in sales.”
With inventories growing and retail demand slipping, automakers and dealers are getting more aggressive with discounting -- notably on cars.
General Motors and Fiat Chrysler were among the biggest spenders on incentives last month, according to ALG. (See chart below.)
In the first two weeks of April, incentives averaged $3,499 per new-vehicle, a record for the month, and surpassing the previous high for the month -- $3,393 -- in April 2009, J.D. Power says.
Incentive spending for the average new vehicle this year through April was $3,814, up $460 from a year ago. On pickups, crossovers and SUVs, discounts averaged $3,740, up $578, while on cars, incentive spending was $3,938, up $308, J.D. Power says.
Analysts say incentive spending as a percentage of average transaction prices remained above 10 percent in April, higher than the typical 7.5 to 9.5 percent range the industry has experienced over the past 7 years.
“Declining retail demand, the increased use of incentives, and a less favorable lending environment will likely limit the growth prospects for auto sales going forward," S&P Global credit analyst Ni**** Madlani said in a report last month. “The increasing use of incentives, especially in the midsize car segment, and softer retail demand will likely lead to significantly elevated pricing pressure for automakers over the next 12-18 months.”
Transaction pricesEven as discounts rise, automakers have remained profitable because of rising transaction prices, especially on popular crossovers, SUVs and pickups. But in some light-truck segments, consumer demand in easing and pressure is building, analysts say, forcing prices down.
Kelley Blue Book estimates the average U.S. transaction price for light vehicles was $34,552 in April 2017, an increase of $579, or 1.7 percent, from April 2016, while falling $48, or 0.1 percent, from March.
“While new vehicle sales appear to be on the decline, most manufacturers are seeing higher retail transaction prices, with the industry average on new-car prices up for the month by nearly 2 percent,” Kelley Blue Book analyst Tim Fleming said. “These increases appear to be primarily driven by the shift in demand toward SUVs, even with growing segments, such as subcompact SUVs and luxury compact SUVs, seeing year-over-year price declines. Kelley Blue Book anticipates average transaction prices will likely begin to decrease when the sales mix of SUVs eventually levels off.”
April marked the fourth consecutive monthly setback for U.S. sales and extended the longest losing streak since the market bottomed out in 2009. Car deliveries were down again, off 11 percent, while truck volume dipped 0.1 percent. It was the 1st time monthly light-truck deliveries dropped year over year since Sept. 2013.
The seasonally adjusted annual sales rate came in at 16.92 million, below forecasts of 17.1 million. Yet automakers remain optimistic even with sales now off 2.4 percent for the year and momentum falling during the key spring selling season.
“When you look at the broader economy, including a strong job market, rising wages, low inflation and low interest rates, and couple them to low fuel prices and strong consumer confidence, you have everything you need for auto sales to weather headwinds and remain at or near historic highs,” Mustafa Mohatarem, GM’s chief economist, said in a statement.
Ford Motor Co. and American Honda fell about 7 percent. General Motors recorded its 1st dip since January amid a continuing retreat from lower-profit fleet sales. Nissan Motor Co., which has embraced a volume-boosting fleet strategy, ended a 5-month winning streak. Toyota Motor Corp. volume fell for a 4th straight month. Fiat Chrysler, also backing off fleet sales, hasn’t seen a sales gain since August.
Overall, analysts expected U.S. light-vehicle deliveries to drop as much as 4 percent. There was 1 fewer selling day last month than in April 2016.
U.S. volume had slipped 1.6 percent through the first quarter as strong demand for crossovers and other light trucks failed to offset soft car sales. The SAAR fell to 16.6 million in March, the lowest pace since February 2015.
Ford's U.S. car deliveries slumped 21 percent in April.
Ford's sales dropped 7.1 percent, with the Ford brand falling 7.4 percent and Lincoln down 0.9 percent. It was the fourth straight monthly decline for Ford. The company said car deliveries slumped 21 percent, while SUV deliveries edged up 1.2 percent and pickup demand slid 4.2 percent.
At Toyota, volume slipped 4.4 percent last month, with the Toyota brand down 3.5 percent and Lexus off 11 percent. Toyota said its car deliveries slipped 12 percent.
U.S. sales of passenger cars are on track to decline for the fourth straight year in 2017 as low gasoline prices and improved fuel economy encourage more consumers to consider crossovers and SUVs.“The industry’s appetite for SUV and light-truck sales remains strong,” said Jack Hollis, general manager of the Toyota division.
Nissan, in posting its 1st monthly decline since October, said volume dipped 2 percent at the Nissan brand but rose 3.5 percent at Infiniti. Overall, combined deliveries of passenger car models at Nissan and Infiniti declined 12 percent.
FCA US sales fell 6.6 percent, their eighth straight month of decline. All of its brands were down, with the exception of Ram (up 5.3 percent) and low-volume Alfa Romeo, which sold 677 vehicles. Dodge decreased 2.6 percent, Chrysler 3.3 percent, Jeep 17 percent and Fiat 18 percent.
At Honda, deliveries slid 7 percent behind a drop of 6.3 percent at the Honda division and 13 percent at Acura.
Volume slipped 0.9 percent at Hyundai and 5.6 percent at Kia.
The Volkswagen brand bucked the industry’s downward trend, posting a 1.6 percent increase in volume, its sixth consecutive gain. Sales also rose 3.9 percent last month at Subaru, keeping the company on pace to set a ninth straight annual record for U.S. volume. But April deliveries slipped 13 percent at Mitsubishi and 7.8 percent at Mazda.
Among other luxury brands, April volume rose at Audi, Jaguar, Land Rover and Volvo but dropped at BMW and Mercedes-Benz.
“Over the past 6 months we’ve watched nearly every automaker go from positive to negative sales volume, confirming the plateau in this latest sales cycle. The last time we moved into negative territory it was part of an overall economic downturn that was accompanied by massive disruption across the auto industry," said Karl Brauer, an analyst for Autotrader and Kelley Blue Book. "This transition should be much smoother, with ongoing near-record sales supported by strong economic indicators. The big shift this time, however, is the rapid drop in sedan sales as SUVs stake their claim as the hot ticket. Automakers will continue shifting resources to accommodate this new buying trend in the coming years, which in and of itself could prove disruptive.”
Slow 2016 selldown
Multiple brands -- Chevrolet, Mitsubishi, Jeep, GMC, Porsche, VW, Cadillac, Acura, Fiat, Buick and Alfa Romeo -- started April with U.S. inventories that topped 90 days or more, well above the 60-day level considered optimal.
“We’re seeing a dramatic lag in the 2016 model-year selldown," said Jessica Caldwell, executive director of industry analysis at Edmunds. "In April, 8 percent of vehicles sold were 2016 models, up from only 3 percent 5 years ago. Inventory buildup is a top concern of automakers and all eyes are on whether cuts in production are enough to offset expected dips in sales.”
With inventories growing and retail demand slipping, automakers and dealers are getting more aggressive with discounting -- notably on cars.
General Motors and Fiat Chrysler were among the biggest spenders on incentives last month, according to ALG. (See chart below.)
In the first two weeks of April, incentives averaged $3,499 per new-vehicle, a record for the month, and surpassing the previous high for the month -- $3,393 -- in April 2009, J.D. Power says.
Incentive spending for the average new vehicle this year through April was $3,814, up $460 from a year ago. On pickups, crossovers and SUVs, discounts averaged $3,740, up $578, while on cars, incentive spending was $3,938, up $308, J.D. Power says.
Analysts say incentive spending as a percentage of average transaction prices remained above 10 percent in April, higher than the typical 7.5 to 9.5 percent range the industry has experienced over the past 7 years.
“Declining retail demand, the increased use of incentives, and a less favorable lending environment will likely limit the growth prospects for auto sales going forward," S&P Global credit analyst Ni**** Madlani said in a report last month. “The increasing use of incentives, especially in the midsize car segment, and softer retail demand will likely lead to significantly elevated pricing pressure for automakers over the next 12-18 months.”
Transaction pricesEven as discounts rise, automakers have remained profitable because of rising transaction prices, especially on popular crossovers, SUVs and pickups. But in some light-truck segments, consumer demand in easing and pressure is building, analysts say, forcing prices down.
Kelley Blue Book estimates the average U.S. transaction price for light vehicles was $34,552 in April 2017, an increase of $579, or 1.7 percent, from April 2016, while falling $48, or 0.1 percent, from March.
“While new vehicle sales appear to be on the decline, most manufacturers are seeing higher retail transaction prices, with the industry average on new-car prices up for the month by nearly 2 percent,” Kelley Blue Book analyst Tim Fleming said. “These increases appear to be primarily driven by the shift in demand toward SUVs, even with growing segments, such as subcompact SUVs and luxury compact SUVs, seeing year-over-year price declines. Kelley Blue Book anticipates average transaction prices will likely begin to decrease when the sales mix of SUVs eventually levels off.”
05-05-17, 10:07 PM
#38
Lexus Champion
05-06-17, 05:32 AM
#39
Lexus Test Driver
^
New 5 was not even out in Jan-March when GS sales hit bottom.
They are still ramping up production.
G80 has definitely impacted GS sales.
It is much better styled and has amazing road presence, actually looks more expensive than it is. The post refresh GS looks very tacky and boy racer especially the silly grille and taillights.
New 5 was not even out in Jan-March when GS sales hit bottom.
They are still ramping up production.
G80 has definitely impacted GS sales.
It is much better styled and has amazing road presence, actually looks more expensive than it is. The post refresh GS looks very tacky and boy racer especially the silly grille and taillights.
Last edited by RNM GS3; 05-06-17 at 05:37 AM.
05-08-17, 11:05 AM
#40
Lexus Fanatic
The G80 has very likely taken GS sales considering its impressive sales numbers and GS sales plummeting. There are several people on CL that have expressed interest in the G80 and have bought a G80.
05-08-17, 01:12 PM
#41
Great sales data GS69!
So here is the APRIL SALES and MARKET SHARE summary:
Subaru 52,000 up 3.9% for a 3.7% MARKET SHARE
VW 46k up 3%??? 3.2 MS (How did sales go up amid the diesel scam?)
Hyundai 61k down 9% 4.3% MS
NNA 122k down 1.5% 8.6% MS Nissan 111k Infiniti 11k
TMS 202k down 4.4% 14.2% MS Toyota 180k Lexus 22K
Kia 53K down 5.6% 3.7% MS
GM 244K down 5.9% 17.1% MS
Chrysler 173k down 6.9% 12.1% MS
AHM 138k down 7% 9.7% MS Honda 124k Acura 14k
Ford 213k down 7.1% 15% MS
Daimler 29k down 8.5% 2% MS
BMW 26k down 12.2% 1.8% MS A bad slide for BMW
So here is the APRIL SALES and MARKET SHARE summary:
Subaru 52,000 up 3.9% for a 3.7% MARKET SHARE
VW 46k up 3%??? 3.2 MS (How did sales go up amid the diesel scam?)
Hyundai 61k down 9% 4.3% MS
NNA 122k down 1.5% 8.6% MS Nissan 111k Infiniti 11k
TMS 202k down 4.4% 14.2% MS Toyota 180k Lexus 22K
Kia 53K down 5.6% 3.7% MS
GM 244K down 5.9% 17.1% MS
Chrysler 173k down 6.9% 12.1% MS
AHM 138k down 7% 9.7% MS Honda 124k Acura 14k
Ford 213k down 7.1% 15% MS
Daimler 29k down 8.5% 2% MS
BMW 26k down 12.2% 1.8% MS A bad slide for BMW
05-08-17, 09:57 PM
#42
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2008GS thx for nice summation, and to GS69 always for all the media grabs. 
05-09-17, 04:32 AM
#43
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Thoughts
I suspect that the GS is being squeezed out by a lot of the newer models like the Continental & S90 - not just the G80.
Eclass 4,059 -16.9%
5series 3,113 -30.1%
A6 1,508 -6.9%
G80 1,083
Continental 1,003
XTS 914 -39.9%
CTS 873 -34.6%
GS 597 -38.1%
S90 484
Q70 443 -19%
RLX 106 -29.4; hybrid 22 +20.2%
MKS 21 -96.8%
Interesting that no one mentions the RX - which arguably has the most polarizing looks of the Lexus brand (especially in comparison to the previous model). With CUV sales booming, I ponder if its looks is contributing to the sales decline so far this year?
Eclass 4,059 -16.9%
5series 3,113 -30.1%
A6 1,508 -6.9%
G80 1,083
Continental 1,003
XTS 914 -39.9%
CTS 873 -34.6%
GS 597 -38.1%
S90 484
Q70 443 -19%
RLX 106 -29.4; hybrid 22 +20.2%
MKS 21 -96.8%
Interesting that no one mentions the RX - which arguably has the most polarizing looks of the Lexus brand (especially in comparison to the previous model). With CUV sales booming, I ponder if its looks is contributing to the sales decline so far this year?
05-09-17, 06:11 AM
#44
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i just talked to another mild mannered person who has had one toyota after another and was considering an suv next and a lexus until the spindle grill and in particular the new rx. i wasn't expecting the reaction i got but they got animated saying they HATE it. i don't think it's just the grill though, i think the busy side profile, awkward proportions, with massive front overhang and relatively short wheelbase... the sales are continuing based on a great driving character, very nice interior, and overall reputation.
05-09-17, 06:13 AM
#45
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yes, with the E and 5 delivering huge sales too... the GS sadly has limited options, drive trains, heck even availability in many places, so it really has a hard time competing.