Don't understand how Mercedes C can outsell Lexus IS
05-19-17, 11:09 PM
#151
lmao at the review. is lexus hurting for reviewers? maybe i should start reviewing cars again.
and again comparing c300 to is350? just because their pricing might be about the same? i can only say i drove the is200t loaner for a month, and i drove the c300 loaner for a day. if i have to choose, i would much rather be driving the c300 for a month
and again comparing c300 to is350? just because their pricing might be about the same? i can only say i drove the is200t loaner for a month, and i drove the c300 loaner for a day. if i have to choose, i would much rather be driving the c300 for a month
05-21-17, 06:33 AM
#152
Since when is MT's figure 8 a good measure of dynamic handling? You do realize that a Figure 8 is just 2 skidpad loops end to end. And a skidpad is a measure of the car's static grip which is largely due to the tires. A better measure of a car's agility and ability to react to steering inputs has TRADITIONALLY ALWAYS been the slalom. Hate to beat a dead horse but C+D shows that despite aging powertrain, the IS350 beats the F30 3 series handily in the slalom.
05-21-17, 07:31 AM
#153
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by BoDarville
the figure 8 was the only available objective handling test numbers i could find that was conducted on all the vehicles in this segment. if you are indicating there is super secret universal slalom testing being conducted on all of these vehicles, please share the link with the rest of us ignorant posters so we can educate ourselves and compare the numbers. thanks, i look forward.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...d-more-feature
Let's be honest here, the c-class outside of their AMG line has never been best in class handling. The IS350 has actually been praised with near best in class handling (ATS being slightly better).
05-21-17, 09:29 AM
#154
Lexus Test Driver
05-21-17, 09:39 AM
#155
what are the times of the competitors MY2014 or newer that you are referring to? i did not see their times posted under the historical lap times. i did see a MY2007 3 series that was better than the 2014 IS350, but that is all i could find.
05-21-17, 11:37 AM
#156
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by BoDarville
what are the times of the competitors MY2014 or newer that you are referring to? i did not see their times posted under the historical lap times. i did see a MY2007 3 series that was better than the 2014 IS350, but that is all i could find.
05-21-17, 01:45 PM
#157
Because Mercedes doesn't have that ugly grille. Mercedes is driven by older people. And older people like elegance, not aggressiveness. And older people have money. And Mercedes is used as a status symbol, not as a toy.
Younger folks don't have money to buy Lexus IS. And the Lexus IS has that ugly grille. And Lexus scared off a good amount of its loyal customers who refuses to buy a new Lexus because of that ugly grille, so they look for another brand instead.
You should see the pattern by now.
Younger folks don't have money to buy Lexus IS. And the Lexus IS has that ugly grille. And Lexus scared off a good amount of its loyal customers who refuses to buy a new Lexus because of that ugly grille, so they look for another brand instead.
You should see the pattern by now.
05-21-17, 01:47 PM
#158
so by that metric, both a Dodge Charger and Dodge Challenger are better handling cars than the IS. thanks, on my way to the Dodge dealership now, get myself a svelte canyon carver, can't wait!
05-21-17, 02:36 PM
#159
LOL, I have no idea why people even bring up handling and slaloms in here. I bet 90% of IS and C class that are sold are base 4 cylinder model with crappy all season tires, and people that buy them don't give two flys about handling. I think b2884987 pretty much nailed it - C class has more conservative styling that appeals to older folks that failed in life, while IS has a lot more polarizing styling that appeals to young people that can't afford it.
05-21-17, 03:03 PM
#160
05-21-17, 03:06 PM
#161
Lexus Fanatic
"Mercedes is driven by older people"
I think you'd be surprised to see Lexus owners are overall older than Mercedes owners.
"Younger people can't afford Lexus IS"
LOL, plenty of younger people have more than enough money to buy a Lexus IS. They aren't expensive at all, and many mainstream cars are more expensive.
I think you'd be surprised to see Lexus owners are overall older than Mercedes owners.
"Younger people can't afford Lexus IS"
LOL, plenty of younger people have more than enough money to buy a Lexus IS. They aren't expensive at all, and many mainstream cars are more expensive.
05-21-17, 03:11 PM
#162
"Mercedes is driven by older people"
I think you'd be surprised to see Lexus owners are overall older than Mercedes owners.
"Younger people can't afford Lexus IS"
LOL, plenty of younger people have more than enough money to buy a Lexus IS. They aren't expensive at all, and many mainstream cars are more expensive.
I think you'd be surprised to see Lexus owners are overall older than Mercedes owners.
"Younger people can't afford Lexus IS"
LOL, plenty of younger people have more than enough money to buy a Lexus IS. They aren't expensive at all, and many mainstream cars are more expensive.
05-21-17, 03:29 PM
#163
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by BoDarville
so by that metric, both a Dodge Charger and Dodge Challenger are better handling cars than the IS. thanks, on my way to the Dodge dealership now, get myself a svelte canyon carver, can't wait!
05-21-17, 03:35 PM
#164
Lexus Test Driver
05-21-17, 04:38 PM
#165
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by Och
Overall, of course Lexus drivers are older. You have the ES which only appeals to old farts, and RX that appeals to old farts and soccer moms - and these two vehicles make up the bulk of Lexus sales. But the IS certainly appeals mostly to young people, and with todays costs of living, insurance and low paying jobs most young people can't afford any car, never mind a premium one. On the other hand the C class is so conservative, it appeals to a wide range of buyers, including old farts that can't afford an S class.
Yes demographics are different, younger people aren't buying cars or homes as early in their lives, but they are buying them and their future plans overwhelmingly indicate they will when surveyed, etc.
The whole "millennials have no money" thing is way overstated.