mmarshall

...........You mean Chris Bangle LOL?

ragingf80

0-60 in 3.7 sec and a 1.01g skidpad in a 5000 lb monster is hard to not be impressed by. It's certainly not a vehicle that fits my lifestyle, but they are far from being a POS.

Och

iTrader: (3)

There is just no way that Lexus is tier 1. Their flaghips LS and LX are about 10 years behind competition, and with next LS they are going backwards by only offering a 6 cylinder. Then you have rumors of GS being cancelled, which I hope wont turn out true. Their cars are good on their own merit, but they are tier 2 at best, and at the pace the competition is moving forward the gap only grows larger and larger.

LeX2K

You went full throttle with the hyperbole and tossed in a rumour for good measure.

GS3Tek

iTrader: (8)

What is it with these new topics/threads lately where you never see the OP respond or engage in their own questioning?

All of these topics have been beaten to death.

Johnhav430

imho it's human nature, just like when folks initiate a thread such as, "I have this rare issue can anyone help me, please I need to drive my car!" Then someone posts up detailed stuff from the factory manual, and says, this might be your issue, let us know if it helps! The OP goes, "I will try this when I get home tonight, thanks!"

Then you never hear for them again, and sure enough, people have the exact same issue down the road, because it happens to others....and the thread is dead.

How about we start another, "Do you get better mpgs with premium, and is your car smoother" post?

davyjordi

i don't think the public perception of lexus is at a tier 2 status in the united states. they certainly don't have the prestige of mb, bmw, and audi, but they can hold their own. they're sort of stuck in the middle of tier 1 and tier 2 -- something along the lines of tier 1.5 seems fit.

Toys4RJill

I agree they are in the middle. However, the new LC500 is no doubt at Tier 1 type of product from Lexus.

UDel

Not if the new LS only has a 6 cylinder. Most of its competitors also offer 12 cylinders.

UDel

Och has valid points though. I think Lexus falls maybe more into Tier 1.5 or 1.75 then 2 but Lexus is heading more Tier 2 with their current lineup, what constitutes their bulk sales, and engines while the Germans seem to be making moves to go higher. I would say BMW, Mercedes are solid Tier 1, Audi is about there but has had some issues they have mostly overcome based on histories, sales in all markets, and lineups. I am not hung up on Tier though as long as the cars are good.

Och

iTrader: (3)

Look at Audi and the giant leaps forward they made in the last decade to place themselves at tier 1. Look at Land Rover - just a decade ago they had nothing but unreliable antiquated junk, and look at them now. Why then Lexus constantly seems to be making one step forward and two backwards?

davyjordi

i think placing them at 2.5 isn't giving them nearly enough credit.

EZZ

I think he meant tier 1.5.

mmarshall

The diesel-scandal, though, has not helped their image any....though there is no question their products have gotten more well-built and solidly screwed-together. And they have done first-class interiors and fit/finish for years.


To some extent, apples and oranges. Ten years ago, both Jaguar and Land Rover were under Ford ownership. Today, of course, they are owned by India's Tata Motors. (after Ford said Ta-Ta to them LOL)

Well, even aside from the grille/styling issues, which is mostly subjective with each person, IMO, the biggest single factor is cost-cutting.Though they still rank very high in reliability (first or near first on many lists), most of today's Lexus products don't seem to have the same solidity and feel to them in their sheet metal, interior parts, doors, hardware, and a number of other components than they did a decade or two ago. It's just a lighter, less-durable feel. There is also, IMO, too much of an emphasis on sport-orientation, and loss of the traditional Lexus cushiness in ride and refinement, though the new RX seems to have reversed that trend somewhat some with its excellent refinement.

BrownPride

You've never been to LA or Vancouver then.

The X6 is a very impressive vehicle no matter how you feel about the styling.