Lexus brand vs Audi vs BMW
#16
Lexus Fanatic
#17
0-60 in 3.7 sec and a 1.01g skidpad in a 5000 lb monster is hard to not be impressed by. It's certainly not a vehicle that fits my lifestyle, but they are far from being a POS.
#18
Lexus Champion
iTrader: (3)
There is just no way that Lexus is tier 1. Their flaghips LS and LX are about 10 years behind competition, and with next LS they are going backwards by only offering a 6 cylinder. Then you have rumors of GS being cancelled, which I hope wont turn out true. Their cars are good on their own merit, but they are tier 2 at best, and at the pace the competition is moving forward the gap only grows larger and larger.
#19
Lexus Fanatic
You went full throttle with the hyperbole and tossed in a rumour for good measure.
#21
Lexus Fanatic
Then you never hear for them again, and sure enough, people have the exact same issue down the road, because it happens to others....and the thread is dead.
How about we start another, "Do you get better mpgs with premium, and is your car smoother" post?
#22
Pole Position
There is just no way that Lexus is tier 1. Their flaghips LS and LX are about 10 years behind competition, and with next LS they are going backwards by only offering a 6 cylinder. Then you have rumors of GS being cancelled, which I hope wont turn out true. Their cars are good on their own merit, but they are tier 2 at best, and at the pace the competition is moving forward the gap only grows larger and larger.
#23
Lexus Fanatic
i don't think the public perception of lexus is at a tier 2 status in the united states. they certainly don't have the prestige of mb, bmw, and audi, but they can hold their own. they're sort of stuck in the middle of tier 1 and tier 2 -- something along the lines of tier 1.5 seems fit.
#24
Lexus Fanatic
#25
Lexus Fanatic
Och has valid points though. I think Lexus falls maybe more into Tier 1.5 or 1.75 then 2 but Lexus is heading more Tier 2 with their current lineup, what constitutes their bulk sales, and engines while the Germans seem to be making moves to go higher. I would say BMW, Mercedes are solid Tier 1, Audi is about there but has had some issues they have mostly overcome based on histories, sales in all markets, and lineups. I am not hung up on Tier though as long as the cars are good.
Last edited by UDel; 05-09-17 at 12:46 PM.
#26
Lexus Champion
iTrader: (3)
Look at Audi and the giant leaps forward they made in the last decade to place themselves at tier 1. Look at Land Rover - just a decade ago they had nothing but unreliable antiquated junk, and look at them now. Why then Lexus constantly seems to be making one step forward and two backwards?
#27
Pole Position
Och has valid points though. I think Lexus falls maybe more into Tier 2.5 then 2 but Lexus is heading more Tier 2 with their current lineup, what constitutes their bulk sales, and engines while the Germans seem to be making moves to go higher. I would say BMW, Mercedes are solid Tier 1, Audi is about there but has had some issues they have mostly overcome based on histories, sales in all markets, and lineups. I am not hung up on Tier though as long as the cars are good.
#29
Lexus Fanatic
Look at Land Rover - just a decade ago they had nothing but unreliable antiquated junk, and look at them now.
Why then Lexus constantly seems to be making one step forward and two backwards?
Last edited by mmarshall; 05-09-17 at 07:10 AM.
#30