Tesla Model S
#16
Driver
Thread Starter
I would definitely save $500 to $1.000 every 17,000 to 20,000 miles on having the brakes replaced on the 350 F Sport.
#17
Lexus Test Driver
Tesla has a nice sound system though, I think it sounds better than my ML. I tried both the Model S and X. I wonder who makes it.
#18
Lead Lap
#19
Lexus Test Driver
So it's still made by the Harman group, same as the ML.
#20
Advanced
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Hello All,
I looked at a 2017 Model S today. I was disappointed. The Model S has no XM satellite radio, no ventilated seats, weak cross sensing alert and blind spot monitoring. It didn't have a lot of storage locations. The customer service was not good either. I would be better off purchasing a Lexus GS 450 h. Just my experience.
I looked at a 2017 Model S today. I was disappointed. The Model S has no XM satellite radio, no ventilated seats, weak cross sensing alert and blind spot monitoring. It didn't have a lot of storage locations. The customer service was not good either. I would be better off purchasing a Lexus GS 450 h. Just my experience.
#21
Aside from its drivetrain, tech, and styling the Model S is a mediocre car.
The media keeps kissing its a** but this is fact. I used to work closely with Tesla clients and my overwhelming impression is that they are not "car" people like you and I. They don't care about luxury or performance (besides straight line bragging rights). They love smart phones and gadgets, and the Model S/X/3 are the automotive extension of that. That's why they love Tesla so much.
Anybody who enjoys a well-built, luxurious, and well thought out vehicle that can actually hang in corners should head to a BMW, Merc, Audi, Porsche, or Lexus dealership.
The media keeps kissing its a** but this is fact. I used to work closely with Tesla clients and my overwhelming impression is that they are not "car" people like you and I. They don't care about luxury or performance (besides straight line bragging rights). They love smart phones and gadgets, and the Model S/X/3 are the automotive extension of that. That's why they love Tesla so much.
Anybody who enjoys a well-built, luxurious, and well thought out vehicle that can actually hang in corners should head to a BMW, Merc, Audi, Porsche, or Lexus dealership.
#22
Originally, I was going to buy a GS450h.
Apart from ROI, don't forget that the 450 has a reduced trunk volume, and is about 400 lbs heavier on the handling/dynamics.
Some people think that increasing the weight also increases the grip - true, but only to a certain point.
Increasing the weight will always decrease the agility; ie the rate of change of direction.
Apart from ROI, don't forget that the 450 has a reduced trunk volume, and is about 400 lbs heavier on the handling/dynamics.
Some people think that increasing the weight also increases the grip - true, but only to a certain point.
Increasing the weight will always decrease the agility; ie the rate of change of direction.
#23
Originally Posted by peteharvey
Originally, I was going to buy a GS450h.
Apart from ROI, don't forget that the 450 has a reduced trunk volume, and is about 400 lbs heavier on the handling/dynamics.
Some people think that increasing the weight also increases the grip - true, but only to a certain point.
Increasing the weight will always decrease the agility; ie the rate of change of direction.
Apart from ROI, don't forget that the 450 has a reduced trunk volume, and is about 400 lbs heavier on the handling/dynamics.
Some people think that increasing the weight also increases the grip - true, but only to a certain point.
Increasing the weight will always decrease the agility; ie the rate of change of direction.
400lbs doesn't keep it from being slow or agile. It's quicker than a GS 350. I don't have mine on a track but kicking *** around town and around the highways and byways is fine. And yes, they're are plenty of quicker, better handling vehicles for probably cheaper prices but will suffer in other subjective areas...e.g.Tesla.
I think we all pretty much agree that Tesla even has a long way to go in the aforementioned areas to truly have a top quality product across all of the standard measures.
Personally, the 350/450h Fsport/Lux with all the creature comforts (that includes about 7/8 of the touted Tesla comforts) is easily a better vehicle to have.
#24
Lexus Test Driver
The acceleration of the Tesla Model S P100D is truly amazing and addictive.
#27
Lexus Champion
#28
I got that info from a friend who just bought one from dealer and thats what dealer said. I suppose a battery could last long enough, but it should be noted that a new battery is expensive.
#29
Trunk holds my cart bag of golf clubs, shoes, and about 6 doubled bags of groceries without crushing any of it. I'd say the space is ample.
400lbs doesn't keep it from being slow or agile. It's quicker than a GS 350. I don't have mine on a track but kicking *** around town and around the highways and byways is fine. And yes, they're are plenty of quicker, better handling vehicles for probably cheaper prices but will suffer in other subjective areas...e.g.Tesla.
I think we all pretty much agree that Tesla even has a long way to go in the aforementioned areas to truly have a top quality product across all of the standard measures.
Personally, the 350/450h Fsport/Lux with all the creature comforts (that includes about 7/8 of the touted Tesla comforts) is easily a better vehicle to have.
400lbs doesn't keep it from being slow or agile. It's quicker than a GS 350. I don't have mine on a track but kicking *** around town and around the highways and byways is fine. And yes, they're are plenty of quicker, better handling vehicles for probably cheaper prices but will suffer in other subjective areas...e.g.Tesla.
I think we all pretty much agree that Tesla even has a long way to go in the aforementioned areas to truly have a top quality product across all of the standard measures.
Personally, the 350/450h Fsport/Lux with all the creature comforts (that includes about 7/8 of the touted Tesla comforts) is easily a better vehicle to have.
I'm picky for trunk size, because I often carry many suitcases, so I find the 450h's trunk wanting.
I'm also rather picky for handling, so I can feel that extra 400 lbs of mass.
Someone else might be super picky, and they'd end up in an SUV for trunk size, or a coupe for handling...
#30
Yep.
My recommendation is to look throughout the continental US (you are in the US?)., I live in VA and found mine in CA. It's such a unicorn (even among 450h's) that I had them ship it in a covered enclosed car carrier cross-country. Lexus of Monterey was very cool about the sale - no crap. Split the shipping charge and hooked me up with the balance of a year of Enform even though the vehicle wasn't new. Long and short, you might find the 450h that you want locally, but you greatly improve your chances if you open up the view and accept the cost of freight.
Good luck!
Sal
My recommendation is to look throughout the continental US (you are in the US?)., I live in VA and found mine in CA. It's such a unicorn (even among 450h's) that I had them ship it in a covered enclosed car carrier cross-country. Lexus of Monterey was very cool about the sale - no crap. Split the shipping charge and hooked me up with the balance of a year of Enform even though the vehicle wasn't new. Long and short, you might find the 450h that you want locally, but you greatly improve your chances if you open up the view and accept the cost of freight.
Good luck!
Sal
Honestly corpnupe85, I'm glad you took the time to test drive and contemplate if the Tesla Model S was the right vehicle for you. It's also great that you're seeking the advice of others (or at least are open to hear what others have to say), since it's definitely should not be a quick decision when putting down this that much $$$ on a vehicle.
I love the Tesla Model S, but I agree with everyone here that in terms of interior, there is no comparison to the Lexus GS. It crushes any vehicle out there in terms of technology/torque/emissions/etc, but there are definitely other cons you also have to consider.
A GS350/450h is just an amazing value if you consider what you're getting, especially if they want a more sporty sedan.
All the best,
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