mk416

Well per the article, Toyota engineers are saying that this car has not been finalized yet, so hold on to your lunches...

situman

Lexus dealerships service all makes and models now. I would think the same is true for Toyota dealerships.

BippuLexus

Yup. I heard the car isn't finalized yet. But what else can they do to make it "more Japanese Supra" though? I believe - what they mean by not finalized - is that they are still working on the tune. Everything else is set in stone though.

It'll be a Supra with a BMW Engine, BMW Chassis, BMW infotainment system, BMW interior, BMW tranmission and etc... The only thing Toyota Supra about it is the name, design and the tune of the engine. Its still a German Supra at the end of the day to me which is the part that is hard to stomach.
This is why I think purist will stay away and German car shoppers will stay BMW.

UDel

They are saying it feels about as quick as 335hp BMW cars so in 20 years it gained 15hp. Definitely is not the Corvette/911 killer/competitor it used to be, won't even be able to compete with 8 cylinder Mustangs or Camaro's now. From what I am reading and seeing they really shouldn't have bothered.

bagwell

Yessssssssssssssssss! Agree 100%, Colombian rear-end plz, LOL!

mk416

I want to believe that the interior/exterior parts were just for the purpose of having a functional model that's pretty close to the production model; this demonstration is to get feedback for performance.

I mean, I reallllly don't think they will put a BMW shift **** on a Toyota even if the transmission is sourced from Germany...

plex

iTrader: (11)

Agreed seems like it's up to the aftermarket to get the power and performance up. Will be curious to see what they do, I'm sure once released the limits of the stock motor and drivetrain will be found. For the R35 GTR it's 600HP/600TQ before going built, for MKIV Supra I would say 850HP/650TQ are limits. If tuners can get this new BMYota up to 600/600 with tune and bolt on parts it may be a good thing.

BippuLexus

This is the spy spot of the Toyota Supra interior. The interior looks pretty much done. As you can clearly see - the transmission lever (E-Gear) looks like its from BMW. Its also looks like the Supra will be using the BMW iDrive as well.

Like I said - the only thing Toyota Supra about this Supra is that its the name, the design and its tuned by Toyota.

situman

If the rumored $63k retail price is true, they certainly believe they can be a killer/competitor to the Corvette and 911.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

yup, what i said a bit back here...

it will still no doubt be a great car, but i find the brand dilution a really crazy way to go... but the bean counters are happy.

BippuLexus

Ahh! I didn't know you said that but agreed.

Its still a great car. Not knocking the car itself. Its just the branding is out of whack. I wouldn't have a problem if they don't call this the Supra. I'm still hoping they don't call it a Supra because in theory - its not a Supra. Its a BMW.

UDel

Not with that horsepower rumors and testers are saying it feels like, around 335-360hp at most. Corvette has 455hp base, last Supra and Corvette had around the same power in the 90's when it debuted and the Supra was quicker, handled better, and was a much nicer car. 63K price tag will ensure sales are rare, rarer then the last Supra and this one is no looker either judging by its profile and what it is based on. If it had LC500 looks and proportions like it should have had then it could sell more on looks but this thing looks like what it is based on, a hard top relatively entry level roadster.

F1Driver

Driving cars? Well now, check out these reviews when the 370Z Nismo was released back in 2009:

First Drive: 2010 Nissan 370Z Nismo simply rocks

C'mon, Try Me: From Boy-Racer to Ground-Effects Track Car

Putting adventure on the table.

P.S. A RWD sports car without a mechanical LSD is not a sports car, end of discussion.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

i believe most 911s and i think maybe even bmw m3's did not offer a mechanical lsd. i believe at least 911's do now. were they not sports cars?

but i get your point because an lsd is awesome. new electronic ones can be at least as effective from what i've read so to me it doesn't have to be mechanical, but maybe i misunderstood the pros/cons.

situman

I agree. So far, Toyota and Lexus sports cars are not great values. Even looks can only get you so far as evident by the tanking sales of the LC in its second yr on the market.