2019 Toyota Supra
01-14-19 | 03:45 PM
#526
01-14-19 | 04:23 PM
#527
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I would not get this Toyota Supra over the BMW M340i or BMW M2.
For the M340i, I get the faster engine, 2 more seats and the badge for less probably. The Toyota Supra will probably be marked up.
You're obviously doing something wrong.
3.0-liter BMW M TwinPower Turbo technology inline 6-cylinder Rear-wheel drive
Vehicle Details
M2 Competition3.0-liter BMW M TwinPower Turbo technology inline 6-cylinder Rear-wheel drive
- STANDARD FEATURES
- BASE MSRP$58,900
- COLORBlack Sapphire Metallic$550
- WHEELS19" M Forged Black Y-Spoke Wheels Style 788 M with Mixed Performance Tires
- UPHOLSTERYBlack Dakota Leather with blue stitching
- TRIMCarbon Fiber Interior Trim
- PACKAGES + OPTIONS
Executive Package$1,200
M Double-clutch Transmission with Drivelogic$2,900
M Driver's Package$2,500
Moonroof$1,050 - DESTINATION + HANDLING$995
- TOTAL MSRP as Built$68,095
Real MRSP: $61,645
1) Moonroof is not a good option on a track car like the BMW M2. It makes the car less rigid.
2) Auto? On a BMW M2? Popular option is stick.
3) M Driver package is driving school and speed limit increase. AKA: useless.
You fully loaded a BMW M2 to prove that the Supra cost less. The fact is - no one buy those BMW M2s.
01-14-19 | 04:28 PM
#528
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Their partnership with BMW not sure true reasons my guess is they wanted to keep an Inline 6 turbo because of the history and they didn't have their own already. Developing an engine from scratch may have been too costly for them especially when their focus is on the CUV market and how many other cars could you share the I6 with in the Toyota line. So hence the partnership. I would have rather them use the 3.5 TTV6 from LS500 with a DCT trans but it is what it is.
01-14-19 | 04:32 PM
#529
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01-14-19 | 04:47 PM
#530
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Their partnership with BMW not sure true reasons my guess is they wanted to keep an Inline 6 turbo because of the history and they didn't have their own already. Developing an engine from scratch may have been too costly for them especially when their focus is on the CUV market and how many other cars could you share the I6 with in the Toyota line. So hence the partnership. I would have rather them use the 3.5 TTV6 from LS500 with a DCT trans but it is what it is.
BMW makes sweetheart engines but they are unreliable on a good day and flat garbage, junk on a bad day. I wouldn't trust a turbo BMW motor with 50k on it.
01-14-19 | 05:34 PM
#531
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You're right, why wouldn't they just drop the brand new TTV6 from the LS in there? I'm sure it could be tuned for the Supra application.
BMW makes sweetheart engines but they are unreliable on a good day and flat garbage, junk on a bad day. I wouldn't trust a turbo BMW motor with 50k on it.
BMW makes sweetheart engines but they are unreliable on a good day and flat garbage, junk on a bad day. I wouldn't trust a turbo BMW motor with 50k on it.
01-14-19 | 05:58 PM
#532
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I mean we waited two decade for this...SMH...
01-14-19 | 06:14 PM
#534
Then again... this is only the regular model available at launch, not the GRMN model that will be released later with a LOT of Toyota specific tuning.
The interior... I’m not happy with it but I can understand if the reason it’s not changed much if at all is to have used what worked so as to focus on the chassis, suspension and driveline improvements.
Toyota tested the BMW sourced parts used on this car well beyond what BMW engineers were used to, raising their eyebrows. That should suggest it’s far more than a rebadge job.
Toyota wanted an I-6 and a customized platform for JUST this model alone but they didn’t have either in their stable. The Z4 may share the platform with the Supra but it is a new platform they co-developed together from the ground up.
01-14-19 | 06:22 PM
#535
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01-14-19 | 06:28 PM
#537
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Funny thing, the same kind of comments came when the MKIV premiered : what's with the hideous wing? And the insect headlights? And only 320bhp....de ja Vu.
Hopefully more people dislike it, so I can pick mine up under MSRP (unlikely, I know). My Q60 will then be my DD and the Supra can be my weekend / track car...
Hopefully more people dislike it, so I can pick mine up under MSRP (unlikely, I know). My Q60 will then be my DD and the Supra can be my weekend / track car...
01-14-19 | 06:36 PM
#538
Yeah... for the more common Supra GR’s that is
Just not with the regular 335hp I-6 Supras. They’re involved with tuning the GRMN models that are using the 380hp B58 as a basis... with a CGI iron block... and a strong ZF 6-speed manual.A 0-60 of 4.1 seconds from the launch Supras with the ZF 8HP autos is pretty damn good actually. Compare that to the stock 0-60 of 5.1 seconds from the old A80 TT 6-speed Supras.
The launch Supra A90 is NOT going to be the most impressive A90. But this one isn’t a bad car at all.
Right now, at the onset, the main issue is that they don’t have the manual transmission ready for the model year one Supra GR’s, let alone the GRMN’s.
For me, that omission alone, until it is corrected, is enough to make an excellent BMW M2 Competition 6MT much more attractive. Which is a shame but as rare as manuals are getting today I'd not consider an automatic in a sports car no matter how superior it’s supposed to be.
Once Toyota corrects this with a 6-speed manual on the Base models on up to the highest performance trim, I'll consider it totally worth it. They will, but for now it’s auto-only.
Last edited by KahnBB6; 01-14-19 at 07:36 PM.
01-14-19 | 06:47 PM
#539
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01-14-19 | 06:52 PM
#540
but i completely understand your point about why it should have stayed japanese in an ideal world. But it didn’t and i was trying to say something nice while there will be critics saying it’s not a ‘true’ supra, there will be lots of fans too.
Please. Lets be fair about this. BMW reliability is utter trash.