2019 Toyota Supra
01-15-19, 05:46 PM
#586
Lexus Test Driver
01-15-19, 05:51 PM
#587
Lexus Fanatic
With all due respect Steve, that's a slippery slope argument and it just fell flat. My point was because the Toyota Supra and the BMW M340i share the same engine and parts. If the BMW M340i handles, drives, and more powerful than a Supra, why not get something that has 2 more seats and doors?
Cars I would consider are this, an RC-F, a Porsche 718 or spendier a 911 or an LC500. I'd even consider a Miata or Fiat 124 to get something cheap and fun. I'm not looking for a sedan.
Are you serious?
The Supra NAME is the only thing TOYOTA has that is cool or performance related.
The Supra NAME is the only reason why ppl even paid attention for past 5years while this thing was developed.
To a lot of ppl with $$$ to buy this and who are enthusiasts - Supra has a strong meaning.
The Supra NAME is the only thing TOYOTA has that is cool or performance related.
The Supra NAME is the only reason why ppl even paid attention for past 5years while this thing was developed.
To a lot of ppl with $$$ to buy this and who are enthusiasts - Supra has a strong meaning.
Only issue is the new M340i will have 382hp and AWD - it will walk your SUPRA all day long.
01-15-19, 05:58 PM
#588
Lexus Champion
Maybe "cooler" because the Supra is rarer, sure. I'd still pick the BMW.
01-15-19, 05:59 PM
#589
most people dont care about the internal firmware, hardware, electrical components nor who developed them.. e.g. your smartphone take a look at all the made in china parts in the BOM. the Supra name will sell. It's curious that they used the same logo as the MK4 or is it? same same but different but still the same lol I'd love to own this and the last 2 generation supras
01-15-19, 06:00 PM
#590
Lexus Fanatic
M340i isn't entry level, it's a loaded out 3 series. That's the one I'd pick if I were looking for a new car and in that budget. If we are talking base model 3 series with 4 cyl and leatherette vs this new Supra it's a different story.
Maybe "cooler" because the Supra is rarer, sure. I'd still pick the BMW.
Maybe "cooler" because the Supra is rarer, sure. I'd still pick the BMW.
A 3 series would never even be on my radar alongside a Supra, nor would it be for any serious buyer for one.
01-15-19, 06:04 PM
#591
I own a MKIV and I'm not as upset as many others here that don't own one or never owned one about the new MKV.
01-15-19, 06:14 PM
#592
Lexus Champion
Well, it kind of would be on mine since it has so much BMW dna. Also you really think a 60k 3 series is an "entry level" car? To me an entry level sports sedan would be an Accord Sport for 25k ish. A 380hp $60,000 3 series isn't entry level, to me at least.
01-15-19, 06:24 PM
#593
Lexus Fanatic
Is a $60,000 3 series entry level? Absolutely when you can buy a $100,000 5 Series. The 3 Series is BMW's entry level sport sedan, always has been. Just because they sell (or sold) a $70,000 IS-F doesn't mean the IS isn't Lexus entry level sedan.
01-15-19, 06:26 PM
#594
Here is nice video on how this new Supra prioritized driving feel above all else. I would pick this over a BMW M240/340 or something like a C43 AMG in a heartbeat ! The real competition for this would be the Porsche Cayman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-BXpnAM0PQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-BXpnAM0PQ
01-15-19, 08:55 PM
#598
Are you serious?
The Supra NAME is the only thing TOYOTA has that is cool or performance related.
The Supra NAME is the only reason why ppl even paid attention for past 5years while this thing was developed.
To a lot of ppl with $$$ to buy this and who are enthusiasts - Supra has a strong meaning.
I get what you're saying about the name and heritage, but given the fact that Toyota can't seems to design anything even remotely performance oriented for the last two decades, if it wasn't for BMW's involvement there wouldn't be a new Supra at all. Or worse yet, if Toyota decided to develop the new Supra all on their own, it would probably be a complete let down. So take it for what it is - proven BMW performance with stunning Supra styling and panache. The best of both worlds.
01-15-19, 09:15 PM
#599
Lexus Test Driver
As a consumer in performance cars - i can say the overall reaction is Negative to this car.
Go on any forum or read what the auto journalists are saying.
If this had a Manual and an engine that was upgraded (irob block) in some way by Toyota/Yamaha, not detuned crap then myself and most car ppl would be all over it.
Again i dont mind BMW involvement but the Z4 is the better car of the 2, so why buy the copy with a worse warranty and less power? BMW basically neutered the Supra bec Z4 had to be superior.
Go on any forum or read what the auto journalists are saying.
If this had a Manual and an engine that was upgraded (irob block) in some way by Toyota/Yamaha, not detuned crap then myself and most car ppl would be all over it.
Again i dont mind BMW involvement but the Z4 is the better car of the 2, so why buy the copy with a worse warranty and less power? BMW basically neutered the Supra bec Z4 had to be superior.
01-15-19, 09:22 PM
#600
As a consumer in performance cars - i can say the overall reaction is Negative to this car.
Go on any forum or read what the auto journalists are saying.
If this had a Manual and an engine that was upgraded (irob block) in some way by Toyota/Yamaha, not detuned crap then myself and most car ppl would be all over it.
Again i dont mind BMW involvement but the Z4 is the better car of the 2, so why buy the copy with a worse warranty and less power? BMW basically neutered the Supra bec Z4 had to be superior.
Go on any forum or read what the auto journalists are saying.
If this had a Manual and an engine that was upgraded (irob block) in some way by Toyota/Yamaha, not detuned crap then myself and most car ppl would be all over it.
Again i dont mind BMW involvement but the Z4 is the better car of the 2, so why buy the copy with a worse warranty and less power? BMW basically neutered the Supra bec Z4 had to be superior.
Perhaps its not a car for everyone, and it is not meant to be, but those who buy it are going to be very satisfied.