Johnhav430

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He said to go and buy a BMW and try to get past 100k.

My cousin had a 1996 M3 and went 320k, and the car was mint body-wise when he sold it for $2800. I said I would take it, and he wouldn't sell it to me--it needed $4k worth of engine work. But the body was mint and it served him for a lot of miles (this was in 2008).

Now he has a 2003 M5 that has 275k, he got it in 2008. I remember when that car was new it was a big deal as 400 HP.

I totally get that as a general rule Toyotas are reliable. Knocking BMWs won't make them any more or less reliable. But you don't have to knock another car as being unreliable when you don't know it to be fact.

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plex

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You've been on these forums and have seen a lot of BMW bashing and ignorant statements. I have friends with various models of BMW's some with very high miles a lot of folks here focus on the negative aspects of anything not Lexus. Unfortunately that's their view and nothing not even reliability stats or actual feedback will change that.

BippuLexus

That's your call then. You should have opened with that instead of defending BMW's reliability track record with me.

Tech does get outdated way too fast. But I would never let tech stop me from buying a good car. If tech is one of your reasons to buy a car, the Toyota Supra Mark 5 is probably not your best bet, huh? It gets less BMW-tech than the Z4 as RNM RS3 said.

Life is too short to drive a boring car.**** I would drive a R32, R34, R35, Hakosuka, 01 or earlier NSX, MARK 4 Supra, E30 M3, E46 CSL, E92 M3 (V8), and etc... over any of the new trash that is coming out right now. So don't preach new is better.

What I mean is try to get the BMW pass 100K miles without problems.

My friend's parents has a 2005 X5 with 100K miles - constant oil leaks and coolant leaks.

My other friend owns a 2009 BMW 135i with less than 70K miles.
Current problems: oil leaks. Previous problems: Driver window won't go fully up, driver window switch broke, "angel eyes" (right side) went out (this was before 30K miles).

My other friend owns a 2010 BMW 335i with less than 50K miles. (He dailies a Prius)
Current problems: oil leaks.

My other friend (hardcore BMW enthusiast) owned a E36 M3, E92 335i, E46 M3, E92 M3, and currently a F80 M3 and a the BMW M2. He even works as a manager at the BMW dealership.
Straight out of the MF'er mouth: "I wouldn't own a new BMW out of warranty"
His E36 M3 and E46 M3 had tons of problems when we were in college.

Johnhav430

I'm glad that I own two Japanese, one German, and one American car. This is a tiny sample, but at least I've got skin in the game, and can really see that each forum that I'm on, is biased towards that brand, etc. I guess just human nature, people like to feel they made the right decision and a better one, I suppose. Generally speaking yes, Japanese cars are very reliable, that's been my experience. Are they as fun to drive? It's like eating salad every day--I have a coworker who started doing it and he's lost 11 lbs. His glucose was up to 16x and he's pre-diabetes. It's a great decision, but he's the first to admit he hates salad. He just wants to live longer. The salad is good for him. But does he hate people who drink beer and eat 24 wings to get started, when we're on the road together? No. At least he didn't say he hated me.

Och

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Nothing wrong with enjoying a classic, but not for daily driving.

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BippuLexus

To generalize all Japanese cars as salads (AKA boring) is crazy and ludicrous.
That's like if I said all German cars are unreliable. I think Audi's are quite reliable. They are the most reliable German brand.

So the R32 Skyline GT-R is not fun to drive?
So the R34 Skyline GT-R is not fun to drive?
So the R35 GT-R is not fun to drive?
So the S2K is not fun to drive?
So the Civic Type R is not fun to drive?
So the 1G NSX is not fun to drive?
So the Supra is not fun to drive?
So the LFA is not fun to drive?


No one is saying BMW are POS cars. I'm saying their reliability is not as good as other cars while some on here is arguing they are amazing. If they are amazing, why are BMW mostly leased and not owned forever?

That's an horrible excuse though. Its not crazy problems but its problems nonetheless. Its problems that wastes time in your day. The way I see it is - if I'm paying at least over 50K for a BMW, they can at least make it where problems don't occur till 100K miles.
This goes back to what I said prior. Owning a BMW out of warranty is expensive because of the reliability concerns. Even my BMW fanatic friend says so.

Och

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Owning a luxury car is expensive, but at least with BMW it is also very satisfying.

bitkahuna

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mmarshall

Notwithstanding the 1987 Hyundai Excel and 1984 Pontiac Fiero, both of which were disasters, probably the most poorly-built modern vehicle I have ever reviewed (though it goes back some years, to 2008) was a BMW M3. Sitting brand-new, on the lot, before it was even sold, when I sampled the back seat (which is always part of my write-ups), I went to pull down the center arm rest...and the entire assembly, hardware and all, just fell right out of the seat and down on the rear floor LOL. Some brilliant worker (or robot) on the assembly line had simply stuffed the assembly, *****-nilly, into the big hole in the back of the seat, and not even bothered to attach the hinges.

Then, when I went to get into the driver's seat and get ready for the test-drive, another major goof (yes, on the same car). There was an apparent short, motor, switch, or wiring malfunction in the power seat itself. I kept playing with the controls, trying to get the seats to adjust...it either wouldn't move at all, or just in half-inch jerks or so. Two service-techs came out from the shop, looked at it, and they couldn't get it to work properly either. Finally, after about 20 or 30 minutes of screwing around with all of the controls, I got the seat into a position where I could at least adequately drive, if not in the best comfort.....it was a manual-transmission car, and I needed to be able to work all three pedals adequately, especially the clutch, adequately.

Fortunately, I didn't find any other problems, and went on to have quite a test-drive. It rode too harsh for me, but it was a true performance sedan by almost any stretch of the mind. Handled and steered like it was on railroad tracks.

BippuLexus

Yes. Owning a luxury car is expensive. Doesn't meant you can't own a luxury car that's reliable as well.

Self righteousness of some though who do keep cars gets a bit old? Why is it a "self righteousness" to keep cars? There are many factors that would make one that switch up their cars every 3 years - money being one of them.

You think everyone is wealthy enough or has the money to lease a car every 3 years?
You don't think some people might have other priorities in life? Maybe an expensive mortgage keeps someone from buying a new car.
Maybe multiple kids that require a college education.
Maybe health insurance.

Lets be real for a second. No one wants to keep a car for 10+ years. People do it because its the cheaper way out. It saves money and it leaves money for other things they enjoy or need to buy. So its not self-righteous of these people.

If its self-righteous to keep a car for a long time, then I can say its materialistic for people to lease a car every 3 years because they must have the latest tech feature.

The E92 BMW M3 (V8) was a hell of a car. My friend had one and I drove it too. Like your assessment, I do agree that it was a true performance sedan. It was tons of fun to drive and it handled amazingly. However - the reliability of a E92 M3 is trash. Its just horrible. You wouldn't want to own one without warranty.

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mmarshall

Agreed. I got a taste of both its performance and unreliability when I reviewed one.

The one I had problems with was a 2008 model.

Och

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Some people just have a depressing worldview, lol. This thread is about the new Supra - and lets just say it is not targeted towards people who live in the past.