Och

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I had a 2005 745, which was a complete disaster. I also had a 2012 X5 with N63, which had about 40k worth of repair done to it, but they were all done under warranty and recalls, and all of the replaced parts are revised. I have since given the car to my daughter and it is still going strong. Out of warranty repairs were maybe 3-4k - not bad considering that the car is already 7 years old.

Zero issues with my m235, m2 or x6m. Didn't have any issues with a 2010 335i either, besides the fuel pump recall.

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05RollaXRS

Funny you say that because one of the main reasons kept me from buying a low mileage '13 E90 M3 sedan (other than RCF turning out to be a much better/modern interpretation of a similar concept), was the dreaded throttle actuators and rod bearings issue. Both repairs were expensive and never know when they would go. They might be some of the more reliable and better quality BMW, but still there are numerous well known issues. I chose to spend the extra $16,000 and get the RCF carbon fiber/TVD. An office colleague of mine used to have a 2008 335 MT and he had to dish out large sums of money for repairs every so often, which also deterred me from getting a BMW.

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05RollaXRS

Of course, I understood when I bought my car that the brakes cost $3100 CAD including labor or the tires cost $1500 CAD to replace etc., but these are normal wear and tear items. I mentioned there are many who have unexpected mechanical issues with their E90/E92 M3. The uncertainty factor of what issue might pop up and when it will, is not my measure for a car I would want to own. Like I said, I oved the car and loved its engine.

Frog98

Didn't the RCF have a recall on the fuel pumps? Was that expected? How much would that repair cost after warranty? All vehicles have examples of problems. You have to look at real current professional research and testing that is being done. Not "I have a friend"...or I heard on a forum.

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05RollaXRS

High pressure fuel pump were covered under recall for all cars at no cost to owners. Out of warranty is not a question as this stage because all of them are under powertrain warranty. Since it was a recall/TSB, it is not dependent on warranty anyway. That has nothing to do with unexpected repairs.

I guess, you are trying to oversimplify by singling out that my office colleague had issues with his 08 BMW 335. It is a well known fact that BMWs are notorious for. I know many people including my own family members who own BMWs and I know first hand the issues. I guess, you can downplay it, but it does not change the fact that BMWs are notorious for high component failure rate.

Frog98

Again, what does JD Power and Consumer Reports say about BMW as a current brand? Not 8-15 years ago. Is a BMW under warranty not covered for unexpected repairs?

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Frog98 - 2018 BMW M550i XDrive, 2018 718 Cayman GTS
05RollaXRS - 2015 Lexus RCF Carbon Package w/TVD
RNM GS3 - 2018 F80 ///M3 CompPack
Och - X6 M

None of you have any issues with your high performance vehicles (BMW, Porsche, Lexus). That should say something.

Frog98

Very True sir! I like performance cars of all kinds! From America, Japan, or Europe, they all have something unique to offer. None of them are perfect. I got the extended warranties on both my cars just in case I'm going to withhold judgement on the new Supra until people get to drive them.

AJT123

BMW is a lease car, never own one out of warranty. One of my buddies has a mint '00 328i and he's stopped telling me when it breaks and what he's replacing because he knows I'm just gonna laugh on the inside and ask him when he's junking it. "It's paid for so who cares..." When I did know about it, he was spending at least $3-4000 a year to keep it on the road. It has high miles, so I'm sure the engine or transmission will go soon. And I like BMWs don't get me wrong, but I wouldn't trust one out of warranty. And his is one of the older ones, back when BMWs were in their "good" era.

Newer ones I couldn't even imagine.

05RollaXRS

It is "initial quality" and they have some type of scoring for it. It measures the first 90 days. We are talking about sustained quality throughout the years.

Frog98

J D Power Dependability Study is not "initial quality". In the 2018 study, BMW ranked 8th tied with Toyota out of 29 brands. It measures the number of problems per 100 vehicles experienced by owners of 2015 vehicles for the previous 12 months.