05RollaXRS

That is an excuse I hear a lot. There is no evidence German powertrain are more technologically advanced. A seat belt handing mechanism in the E92 is an extremely simple component yet it has a high failure rate. Tada went into details about it in an interview and he said Germans tend to overcomplicate while designing engines and they are not as obsessive compulsive as a brand like Lexus when it comes to testing components..

coolsaber

What I find interesting is, I wonder how dealer service centers work for both vehicles. its common knowledge that alot of lexus owners that share parts with toyota pull for basic maintenance at a Toyo dealership, most SAs dont push back on them. Seeing how this vehicles powertrain and alot of components are shared with BMW, does this mean dealer service centers would be sending workers to BMW workshops for training, and a potential Supra owner could drop their vehicle off in either workshop (highly unlikely tho seeing how BMW would upcharge). Thats got to be something different.

Plus, seeing how BMW parts take for ages to come in...I wonder if Toyota would be keeping their own reserves of parts on stock, or sharing distribution networks with BMW.


-Side note.....Reliability and performance are a tradeoff. You sacrifice one for the other unless your budget reaches the sky. I wonder besides economics why the Supra and by extension the 86s are carrying powertrain not from Toyota.

coolsaber

Food for thought, yet Tada chose to use those over complicated parts in the Supra. Either Tada is a hypocrite or I guess he really believes the current BMW powertrain with some optimizations (engine derated, body styles) is the key to success.











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05RollaXRS

No they are not mutually exclusive. The LFA 1LR is bullet proof even being 9500 rpm revving while Ferrari and Lamborghini that have been building exotic engines for decades and with lower redline still cannot get anywhere close to what Lexus built in terms of quality and durability. Japanese are freaks when it comes to being obsessive compulsive about the smallest details.

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coolsaber

While I agree what was the development cycle and project budget on the LFA....Thing was the Japanese Veyron... Marvelous, legendary feat of engineering.

05RollaXRS

The point I made was that it is just as reliable as a Corolla engine, really says something. Yes, it took 10 years to develop, but think about how the Europeans have been building the exotic engines for decades while Lexus was new to this. They have far more experience and knowledge in this area, yet Lexus comes out and builds something that even after 40,000 - 50,000 miles of hard track miles, shows no abnormalities.

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What makes you assume the LFA engine is as reliable as a Corolla engine? This is absolute nonsense.

Even reliability aside, just the cost of regular maintenance on cars like LFA is probably 10-20 times higher than Corolla.

05RollaXRS

I am only talking reliability. The fact that there are now 40,000 - 45,000 miles LFA now that have majority of track miles on them and there have been no mechanical failures or issues, is what is evidence enough to conclude the engines are made bullet proof just like any other Lexus/Toyota engine. I am strictly talking durability and not maintenance costs.

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05RollaXRS

LOL? You seriously think it is that impossible? Did you try googling it? It was at 40K 2 years ago. It is probably much higher now. Also #026 black below in the Paul walker video was a production press car with lots of track miles, but then sold to a member on this board (the person had 3 LFAs) also had close to 40K miles

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SW17LS

I drove the A8 (posted a write up in here) its also very nice, but has a different aesthetic than the 7 or S Class, its much more tech laden vs craftsmanship focused.

05RollaXRS

Like the video said, there have been no issues on the track driven #026 other than tires and brakes. Scott Pruett confirmed it as well. The guy with 40k miles drives it hard even if it is on the streets and never had an issues. You can downplay it all you want but those are the known facts. There are lots of failures on 458 and other cars I can post.

Like I said above, Ferrari, Lamborghini have decades of experience that Lexus does not A lot of their R&D carries over from generation to generation.

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First production VIN MKV Supra just sold at Barrett Jackson Auction for $2.1 Million

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