2019 Toyota Supra
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The MKV may be called a Supra but it’s a different car altogether
I disagree. Toyota made the AE86 Corolla, the Celia All trac, the 1st and 2nd generation MR2 and the Supra. And then...nothing. So when rumors of a new Supra started, expectations were high. The last thing any of the Supra faithful would’ve expected was a 2 seater, 4 cylinder car developed with BMW.
#947
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and that's all anyone wanted for this one, except the modern interpretation of super car thrust means being in the 650 hp region not basically the same power as a quarter century old car
i think it's awesome that toyota "bothered" "to build" this car at all, just don't call it a supra when it's a downgrade from the old one (much better flat handling is a downgrade since that means less comfort) and doesn't really include anything in its design that would make big mk iv fans happy about this one
i think it's awesome that toyota "bothered" "to build" this car at all, just don't call it a supra when it's a downgrade from the old one (much better flat handling is a downgrade since that means less comfort) and doesn't really include anything in its design that would make big mk iv fans happy about this one
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Them calling this a Supra just doesn’t bother me.
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For those of you (like me) who remember the original Supra of the late 1970s, it wasn't a hard-edged sports car at all, like later versions would become. It was essentially a Grand Tourer, a somewhat larger and more plush version of the Celica sports-coupe.
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even the mk iv wasn't hard-edged by any means, it had thick cushy seats and somewhat more firm but still soft-ish ride great for covering many miles at a time... the zupra seems more or less like a better BRZ that will ride too stiff, and has lost that long sleek styling (the zupra is literally the same length as the BRZ)
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will be interesting to see what new tesla roadster costs because i expect it will destroy this new supra and other sports cars.
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Some encouraging reviews out this morning.
Motor Trend:
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Motor Trend:
We're instructed not to switch stability control completely off, to trail-brake into the turns, and to roll judiciously onto the throttle. Indeed, all those driving-school techniques provoke textbook responses in the Supra sans drama or surprises. The steering is extremely precise and nicely weighted, though it lacks the intimate communication of the Cayman Toyota is gunning for. Stability intervention is pleasantly surreptitious. And the super-strong Brembo brakes survive lap after lap after lap without fade, even as we all learn to press deeper into each of the closely spaced corners. Then during a later afternoon session, when we've probably used up 280 of the tires' 300 tread-life rating, I even manage to string together a couple of very nice, controllable corner-to-corner drifts. I emerge, sweaty but smiling.
Once the red mist subsides and we take to the country lanes surrounding Summit Point, the car's Sunday-drive demeanor proves equally delightful. The 12-speaker 500-watt JBL system cranks out the jams, the ride quality in Sport mode is sufficiently compliant to encourage leaving the car in this 'fun-exhaust' mode, and when zipping through a series of S-bends with your phone on the Qi wireless charger, a cover and sufficient fencing keep it from flying into the passenger footwell.
So is this miracle of automotive husbandry worthy of the Supra name? Heck, yeah. It reinvents the concept in a guise that make sense for today's world, and it's offered at a price ($50,920 to start, $57,375 fully loaded) that's a relative bargain when measured against both its predecessor and its Porsche competitor ($58,150, $70,640 similarly equipped to the Launch Edition model). If it's not precisely what you had in mind, the aftermarket is gearing up to help you fix that.
Once the red mist subsides and we take to the country lanes surrounding Summit Point, the car's Sunday-drive demeanor proves equally delightful. The 12-speaker 500-watt JBL system cranks out the jams, the ride quality in Sport mode is sufficiently compliant to encourage leaving the car in this 'fun-exhaust' mode, and when zipping through a series of S-bends with your phone on the Qi wireless charger, a cover and sufficient fencing keep it from flying into the passenger footwell.
So is this miracle of automotive husbandry worthy of the Supra name? Heck, yeah. It reinvents the concept in a guise that make sense for today's world, and it's offered at a price ($50,920 to start, $57,375 fully loaded) that's a relative bargain when measured against both its predecessor and its Porsche competitor ($58,150, $70,640 similarly equipped to the Launch Edition model). If it's not precisely what you had in mind, the aftermarket is gearing up to help you fix that.
Car and Driver:
This Supra's rollout has been shrouded in a cloud of perceived compromise by internet philosophers since it was announced that it would share its platform with BMW's Z4 convertibles. The Supra loyal weren't shy in expressing their indignation about the union, claiming that a Supra without a manual transmission—gasp!—could never be a true Supra and that a co-developed car was destined to be viewed by history as nothing more than badge engineering.
They weren't completely wrong. Viewed with the knowledge that the Supra uses a BMW engine and that its transmission, dampers, and steering rack are shared with the Z4, Tada-san's claim that its fundamentals weren't just thrust upon Toyota is harder to believe. Still, BMW's B58, a turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six, produces 335 horsepower and 365 lb-ft of torque and is undeniably well suited to the Supra, especially when paired with ZF's eight-speed automatic, the only available transmission. According to Tada-san, the inline-six, which he considers a no-compromise item for any Supra, is the reason Toyota agreed to the BMW partnership. (However, there also is a four-cylinder Supra variant that may make its way to the United States.) An electronically controlled limited-slip differential with the ability to vary lock from zero to 100 percent is part of the program. And, of course, the Supra uses BMW's front strut and rear multilink suspensions. Picking a partner in car building is a lot like picking a partner in life. And Toyota could have done far worse than BMW.
They weren't completely wrong. Viewed with the knowledge that the Supra uses a BMW engine and that its transmission, dampers, and steering rack are shared with the Z4, Tada-san's claim that its fundamentals weren't just thrust upon Toyota is harder to believe. Still, BMW's B58, a turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six, produces 335 horsepower and 365 lb-ft of torque and is undeniably well suited to the Supra, especially when paired with ZF's eight-speed automatic, the only available transmission. According to Tada-san, the inline-six, which he considers a no-compromise item for any Supra, is the reason Toyota agreed to the BMW partnership. (However, there also is a four-cylinder Supra variant that may make its way to the United States.) An electronically controlled limited-slip differential with the ability to vary lock from zero to 100 percent is part of the program. And, of course, the Supra uses BMW's front strut and rear multilink suspensions. Picking a partner in car building is a lot like picking a partner in life. And Toyota could have done far worse than BMW.
That the Supra lacks the genetic purity its disciples might prefer is clear, but genealogy is far less important than creating a driving tool capable of fully immersing its pilot in the experience. And that's what Toyota has done with the Supra.
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Alex On Autos...
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The required deposit ($50k) on the Tesla Roadster is almost to the penny the full purchase price of the Supra. Current estimates are that the Roadster is going to start at $200k. If it costs 4-6x as much, it had better be faster.
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I am too young to be around for the original Celica/Supra iterations but that was the way many Japanese sports cars were, original 240Z was a pretty modest powered relatively affordable sports car to go after the relatively affordable British sports cars in the 60's and 70's, it grew into more of a heavy GT car then into a powerful high tech sports car putting out almost super car numbers with the 300ZXtt in the late 80's early 90's. RX-7 was pretty modest and pretty affordable when it started out and then also became a high powered, high performance sports car for its last gen. Original Skylines were not all that powerful, current one competes with super cars now. Even the original NSX was not all that powerful at 270hp but has become a monster putting out almost 600hp with the 2nd Gen. Most Japanese sports cars were originally pretty low powered, relatively affordable but were developed into high powered, high performance, expensive cars. Only the Miata has pretty much stayed the same basic package/car from the beginning.