Benoit

And as always, he's as disconnected and uninformed as ever. Always difficult for me to understand how he can have that many followers without beeing called out. For me, he's the "drunk guy at the bar, talking about cars" of Youtube.

AJT123

Lol yeah, that's the fool who said an LS430 is a money pit and a bad purchase.

spwolf

Going back to all your previous posts, how do you feel about stock Supra beating 2019 M2 Competition in acceleration, handling and braking tests?

DaveGS4

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Simple courtesy. If you cant take the 90 seconds of time to do that, then just don’t post them.

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RNM GS3

Please show me where they are compared head to head?
M2 Competition has:
- Real M engine
- DCT Transmission
- Manual Transmission
- Larger Brakes
- Useable Interior with rear seats
- Full trunk

Supra is a great BMW and the cheapest way to have an almost M car experience.
M2 came out 5yrs ago and is in its last Model Year. The new Z4/Supra chassis is definitely superior to M2 setup or M3/4 but there are a lot sacrifices to be made in useability, which is fine but a rebadged BMW is not special enough to be a weekend car for me at least.

I’m happy the reviews are very positive and i think aftermarket will be huge. If it sells well then hopefully we will get more extreme versions and MANUAL!

Och

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2 Series went on sale 5 years ago, but M2 only went on sale in 2016.

Och

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You know, these braking and acceleration tests are getting pretty much obsolete for 99% of people. I had an m235i, now have m2, and will soon have the new Supra. I really don't care if one beats another to 60 by half a second, you're not even going to feel it in real world driving. I like the M2 over m235i due to more aggressive looks and better engine/exhaust sound. Both are very much fun cars for me, and I'm sure Supra will not disappoint either.

nicedude

Nice and fair first driving impressions. Even points out why the Supra is more special than the current M offerings from BMW (of course the only direct comparison should be with the new Z4). But like I said already, it took Toyota to really make a pure BMW sports car for once (even without a manual option for now). But if you only care about crazy numbers, there are plenty of M offerings available that are more practical than the Supra. Maybe BMW can learn from Toyota and add some feel back in the next M4/2.

plex

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Interesting comparisons, I must say the Supra is looking like the best bang for the buck in these tests. Good read quoted the actual numbers below, rest of write up is in article.


Source: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/toyo...mparison-test/

RNM GS3

Great #s for the Supra especially for $50-55k.
hopefully manual and high performance versions are on the way.

Still feel the M2 is the best bang for the buck plus you can save $3k by going with a manual.
Rear seats, full trunk, real M engine and DCT trans.

plex

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I find the numbers surprising too.

I like the M2 for the engine and manual but I rather the Supra body I don't care for back seats as anyone has yet to sit in backseat of my MKIV. M2 body is too close to tons of BMW sedans around but that's just me.

Bob04

Looks like the Toyota folks already crashed one at the ring.

2020 Toyota Supra Crashes Into Guardrail While Testing at Nurburgring

spwolf

Apperantly Supra beats M2 Competition and 4cly Cayman in latest comparo from MT

nicedude

Supra beating the Cayman in the latest MT comparison is surprising, but props to Toyota for doing something BMW has been incapable of with the Z4 (against the Boxster). It really did take BMW and Toyota to collaborate to beat Porsche though.

The M2 is great on its own, but will never match the Supra's and Cayman's pure sports car feel. With the numbers being so close for all three, it's all about the feel and we all know BMW has forgotten how to properly put steering feel.

I don't even see the point of putting the M2 in the comparison. Honestly, there are no subcompact RWD sedans in the market for it to compete. Some people might cross shop by price, but I can think of much better competition from the aging C7 Corvette.

nicedude

A short comparison between the Supra, Cayman GTS, and the M2. Sounds like the Cayman GTS is the benchmark, the M2 is a "riot," and the Supra has qualities of both. Reviews have been more positive than I expected.