5 Ways Lexus May Have Been Able to Save The CT200h
#1
5 Ways Lexus May Have Been Able to Save The CT200h
#2
I'll add #6......I said from the start, when I first did my review, that IMO, it should have been marketed as a Toyota instead of a Lexus. Except for the nice NuLuxe upholstery and well-done paint job, it was not, IMO, a true Lexus to start with.
#3
Agree with a performance variant. Buying the FSPORT trim should give it a bit boost in power.
And the design of the CT stayed roughly the same throughout the years. The '18 CT actually looks good, and probably had the added Lexus Safety Plus <-- should had been added years ago.
RIP CT200h.
And the design of the CT stayed roughly the same throughout the years. The '18 CT actually looks good, and probably had the added Lexus Safety Plus <-- should had been added years ago.
RIP CT200h.
#4
This was a car designed for Lexus in Europe and had limited appeal for the US market. Just as the Genesis was designed for the US and Korean market, it was never suited for the European market and failed. The CT200 in the US is a similar story.
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#5
First and foremost, it needed more power. People expect any sort of stylized hatch to be a zippy car. Lexus even advertised it that way from the start. Second, it needed to be a sedan. As I have been saying for 20 years, the US does not like hatchbacks. They are associated with cheap, econo-cars of the 70's, during the gas crunches. Audi got this concept after one run of the poor selling A3 hatchabck. Mercedes also learned the hard way with the C.
And I disagree with the editor's comments about an A3's interior feeling and looking like an A8. The A3's interior is plain, minimalistic, lacks any luxury touches, and looks totally different than an A8's. The A8 is plush, luxurious, and laden with a huge array of tech, features, and contrasting trims. The two couldn't be further apart in the Audi family.
And I disagree with the editor's comments about an A3's interior feeling and looking like an A8. The A3's interior is plain, minimalistic, lacks any luxury touches, and looks totally different than an A8's. The A8 is plush, luxurious, and laden with a huge array of tech, features, and contrasting trims. The two couldn't be further apart in the Audi family.
#7
The following statement says a lot...
Cars like the Infiniti QX30 and Mercedes GLA boast SUV like functionality and practicality but are similar in price to the CT200h.
This proves how superficial buyers in this segment are: They won't buy hatchbacks but they will buy crossovers.
This may also prove to be the method for saving the CT: Give it a higher suspension, a larger wheel-and-tire combination, some lower cladding and fake underbody shields, and rename it the UX (oh, that is being done, isn't it?).
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#8
...unless they are butched up to resemble sport utility vehicles.
The following statement says a lot...
Both the QX30 and the GLA are nothing but hatchback cars on higher suspensions, with liberal doses of plastic cladding added to dress them up so that they can be labelled and sold as crossover sport utility vehicles.
This proves how superficial buyers in this segment are: They won't buy hatchbacks but they will buy crossovers.
This may also prove to be the method for saving the CT: Give it a higher suspension, a larger wheel-and-tire combination, some lower cladding and fake underbody shields, and rename it the UX (oh, that is being done, isn't it?).
The following statement says a lot...
Both the QX30 and the GLA are nothing but hatchback cars on higher suspensions, with liberal doses of plastic cladding added to dress them up so that they can be labelled and sold as crossover sport utility vehicles.
This proves how superficial buyers in this segment are: They won't buy hatchbacks but they will buy crossovers.
This may also prove to be the method for saving the CT: Give it a higher suspension, a larger wheel-and-tire combination, some lower cladding and fake underbody shields, and rename it the UX (oh, that is being done, isn't it?).
#9
The American market hates hatchbacks. The only ones that sell are hot hatches for the hooner crowd like the Focus RS and Golf GTI and even those don't sell much. I think Lexus were trying their luck bringing a Euro/Japan-focused vehicle over just to see what would happen. Too bad they didn't bring more sporty hybrids like the IS300h and GS300h, those could have sold better than the CT.
#10
I agree. Lexus would've been been most successful if they sold an SUV and a compact sedan. There is still a market for sedans in this class for the younger crowd that don't want to be driving around in an SUV just yet.
#11
First and foremost, it needed more power. People expect any sort of stylized hatch to be a zippy car. Lexus even advertised it that way from the start. Second, it needed to be a sedan. As I have been saying for 20 years, the US does not like hatchbacks. They are associated with cheap, econo-cars of the 70's, during the gas crunches. Audi got this concept after one run of the poor selling A3 hatchabck. Mercedes also learned the hard way with the C.
And I disagree with the editor's comments about an A3's interior feeling and looking like an A8. The A3's interior is plain, minimalistic, lacks any luxury touches, and looks totally different than an A8's. The A8 is plush, luxurious, and laden with a huge array of tech, features, and contrasting trims. The two couldn't be further apart in the Audi family.
And I disagree with the editor's comments about an A3's interior feeling and looking like an A8. The A3's interior is plain, minimalistic, lacks any luxury touches, and looks totally different than an A8's. The A8 is plush, luxurious, and laden with a huge array of tech, features, and contrasting trims. The two couldn't be further apart in the Audi family.
#12
Owned the CT and loved it overall as my daily, including the interior refinement. Well built, solid thump in the doors, nice quality dashboard, etc.
Where it lacked was in noise isolation/powertrain refinement (for a Lexus) and of course power. Had it been offered in the more powerful 200t or 300h variants, sales would certainly have been stronger.
Where it lacked was in noise isolation/powertrain refinement (for a Lexus) and of course power. Had it been offered in the more powerful 200t or 300h variants, sales would certainly have been stronger.
#13
Same could be said for the 1IS which was more like the Toyota Altezza and not a true Lexus to start with. Any first generation will need improvement because if it came out perfect there wouldn't need to be a second, third, fourth generation and so on. The 2IS was a big improvement over the 1IS and so was the 3IS compared to the 1IS. With that said I'm sure the 2CT will be a big improvement over the 1CT. My CT is much more gas efficient and more reliable than any Buick which isn't truly a luxury brand, Cadillac is the luxury division of GM not Buick...
#14
The 2IS was a big improvement over the 1IS and so was the 3IS compared to the 1IS.
CT is much more gas efficient and more reliable than any Buick which isn't truly a luxury brand,
Cadillac is the luxury division of GM not Buick...
Last edited by mmarshall; 07-15-17 at 09:57 PM.
#15
I also don't think of Buick as a luxury marque; near luxury? Sure, although not in the same league as the tier one luxury makes -- at least in North America. China? Different story.
As for Avenir, if a marque needs a subdivision created in an effort to bring the marque upmarket, then that marque is not upmarket to begin with.
As for Avenir, if a marque needs a subdivision created in an effort to bring the marque upmarket, then that marque is not upmarket to begin with.