2019 Toyota Avalon
01-20-18, 07:18 PM
#346
Today, unfortunately, not much.It was good outside, and it only needed a better dash.
01-20-18, 07:30 PM
#347
Lexus Champion
Ask Toyota's stylists Mike... ask Toyota. Because they're the ones who think that people want big grills and sharp handling. This car is styled as a four door coupe. That's why it has a low swoopy roofline and all sorts of creases and folds. They're not interested in boring here, that's for sure. On a good note, it does have a number of features that make it sporty yet comfortable. AVS and 360 cam. But that darned ski ramp. It just sticks out like you're at the senior center bingo machine. Why?
01-20-18, 07:47 PM
#348
Lexus Champion
Let's stop trying to justify our like or dislike for a car's aesthetic design. A person's reaction to a new car's design is personal and subjective, and there is no right or wrong to it. Some do not like the design of the new 2019 Avalon, perhaps even vehemently disliking it; while others may like it, perhaps finding it refreshing in comparison with older Toyotas. Then there may be others still who are neutral or refuse to give an opinion.
It does not matter, so let's not try to shame and insult people who disagree with you about the styling of the new Avalon or new Camry or RX or LS...
What? Your statement is easy to agree with at first reading but not if you think about it.
Firstly, what is your definition of style? Is it merely aesthetic design and how someone reacts to the design language of a car? Or are you talking about aesthetic design with some flare?
If your definition is the latter -- design with flare -- then, yes, I would agree that the polarizing design language of the RX, with its many sharp creases that are neither straight nor parallel, is more stylish than the rather bland (in comparison) Highlander.
But if your thesis is that the Highlander is less stylish -- and must be less stylish -- than the RX, then the design language of the new (and as yet unseen) ES shall have to be flaming with flare, compared to the new Avalon. By your definition -- styling is aesthetic design with flare -- then the new Avalon has, at least some style (some flare); and if the Avalon has style (similar to the RX, with sharp creases that are not straight nor parallel), the ES must have even more style.
I cannot imagine a new Lexus with even more flare and style.
If, however, your definition of style is merely someone's reaction to a design language, your statement still does not make sense. A person's reaction to an aesthetic design is very personal and subjective -- "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" after all -- and so some will agree with you and just as many others will not.
Some will agree that the RX is more stylish than the Highlander, but there will be others who vehemently disagree and believe that the Highlander is much more stylish. Others will say that neither the rather bland Highlander nor the sharp-creased RX are stylish.
If you ask someone and they agree that the RX is more stylish than the Highlander, they may agree with your thesis but still, they may have a difficult time imagining an ES that is more flaring in style than the stylish Avalon.
If you ask someone and they do not agree that the RX is more stylish than the Highlander, your thesis is dead because they will likely find it hard to imagine an ES that is more flaring in style than the Avalon.
In any case, we have not yet seen what the ES will look like, so it is all speculation at this point.
Let's not go down this route. You are pulling stereotypes again and risk insulting a proud nation and its people.
It does not matter, so let's not try to shame and insult people who disagree with you about the styling of the new Avalon or new Camry or RX or LS...
Overall, I think the Avalon's styling is okay, especially because we must remember that Highlander must look less stylish than RX, while Avalon must look less stylish than the forthcoming ES.
The standard new Avalon is especially okay, and very few people will purchase the Avalon Touring with that huge mouth.
The standard new Avalon is especially okay, and very few people will purchase the Avalon Touring with that huge mouth.
Firstly, what is your definition of style? Is it merely aesthetic design and how someone reacts to the design language of a car? Or are you talking about aesthetic design with some flare?
If your definition is the latter -- design with flare -- then, yes, I would agree that the polarizing design language of the RX, with its many sharp creases that are neither straight nor parallel, is more stylish than the rather bland (in comparison) Highlander.
But if your thesis is that the Highlander is less stylish -- and must be less stylish -- than the RX, then the design language of the new (and as yet unseen) ES shall have to be flaming with flare, compared to the new Avalon. By your definition -- styling is aesthetic design with flare -- then the new Avalon has, at least some style (some flare); and if the Avalon has style (similar to the RX, with sharp creases that are not straight nor parallel), the ES must have even more style.
I cannot imagine a new Lexus with even more flare and style.
If, however, your definition of style is merely someone's reaction to a design language, your statement still does not make sense. A person's reaction to an aesthetic design is very personal and subjective -- "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" after all -- and so some will agree with you and just as many others will not.
Some will agree that the RX is more stylish than the Highlander, but there will be others who vehemently disagree and believe that the Highlander is much more stylish. Others will say that neither the rather bland Highlander nor the sharp-creased RX are stylish.
If you ask someone and they agree that the RX is more stylish than the Highlander, they may agree with your thesis but still, they may have a difficult time imagining an ES that is more flaring in style than the stylish Avalon.
If you ask someone and they do not agree that the RX is more stylish than the Highlander, your thesis is dead because they will likely find it hard to imagine an ES that is more flaring in style than the Avalon.
In any case, we have not yet seen what the ES will look like, so it is all speculation at this point.
In any case, styling is not the Japanese's forte anyway; the Japanese forte is more like attention to detail, refinement, durability and reliability etc.
Styling probably belongs to the Italians and the German, who tend to produce more consistent styling results.
They know how to strike a balance between conservatism and radicalism, and yet still come up with a stylish product.
Styling probably belongs to the Italians and the German, who tend to produce more consistent styling results.
They know how to strike a balance between conservatism and radicalism, and yet still come up with a stylish product.
01-20-18, 07:50 PM
#349
Lexus Fanatic
Some of you may not agree, but IMO the best-driving Avalon of all was the original mid/late 90s version....though its interior wasn't that much to look at, and it was basically just a stretched Camry. But its build-quality and road manners were superior to any of the later models.
01-20-18, 07:53 PM
#350
Lexus Champion
Maybe Car Chat should be shut down or censored because some opinions are... well opinions. Heaven forbid anyone expressing something critical about styling or vehicles on Car Chat.
01-20-18, 08:03 PM
#351
Let's stop trying to justify our like or dislike for a car's aesthetic design. A person's reaction to a new car's design is personal and subjective, and there is no right or wrong to it. Some do not like the design of the new 2019 Avalon, perhaps even vehemently disliking it; while others may like it, perhaps finding it refreshing in comparison with older Toyotas. Then there may be others still who are neutral or refuse to give an opinion.
It does not matter, so let's not try to shame and insult people who disagree with you about the styling of the new Avalon or new Camry or RX or LS...
What? Your statement is easy to agree with at first reading but not if you think about it.
Firstly, what is your definition of style? Is it merely aesthetic design and how someone reacts to the design language of a car? Or are you talking about aesthetic design with some flare?
If your definition is the latter -- design with flare -- then, yes, I would agree that the polarizing design language of the RX, with its many sharp creases that are neither straight nor parallel, is more stylish than the rather bland (in comparison) Highlander.
But if your thesis is that the Highlander is less stylish -- and must be less stylish -- than the RX, then the design language of the new (and as yet unseen) ES shall have to be flaming with flare, compared to the new Avalon. By your definition -- styling is aesthetic design with flare -- then the new Avalon has, at least some style (some flare); and if the Avalon has style (similar to the RX, with sharp creases that are not straight nor parallel), the ES must have even more style.
I cannot imagine a new Lexus with even more flare and style.
If, however, your definition of style is merely someone's reaction to a design language, your statement still does not make sense. A person's reaction to an aesthetic design is very personal and subjective -- "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" after all -- and so some will agree with you and just as many others will not.
Some will agree that the RX is more stylish than the Highlander, but there will be others who vehemently disagree and believe that the Highlander is much more stylish. Others will say that neither the rather bland Highlander nor the sharp-creased RX are stylish.
If you ask someone and they agree that the RX is more stylish than the Highlander, they may agree with your thesis but still, they may have a difficult time imagining an ES that is more flaring in style than the stylish Avalon.
If you ask someone and they do not agree that the RX is more stylish than the Highlander, your thesis is dead because they will likely find it hard to imagine an ES that is more flaring in style than the Avalon.
In any case, we have not yet seen what the ES will look like, so it is all speculation at this point.
Let's not go down this route. You are pulling stereotypes again and risk insulting a proud nation and its people.
It does not matter, so let's not try to shame and insult people who disagree with you about the styling of the new Avalon or new Camry or RX or LS...
What? Your statement is easy to agree with at first reading but not if you think about it.
Firstly, what is your definition of style? Is it merely aesthetic design and how someone reacts to the design language of a car? Or are you talking about aesthetic design with some flare?
If your definition is the latter -- design with flare -- then, yes, I would agree that the polarizing design language of the RX, with its many sharp creases that are neither straight nor parallel, is more stylish than the rather bland (in comparison) Highlander.
But if your thesis is that the Highlander is less stylish -- and must be less stylish -- than the RX, then the design language of the new (and as yet unseen) ES shall have to be flaming with flare, compared to the new Avalon. By your definition -- styling is aesthetic design with flare -- then the new Avalon has, at least some style (some flare); and if the Avalon has style (similar to the RX, with sharp creases that are not straight nor parallel), the ES must have even more style.
I cannot imagine a new Lexus with even more flare and style.
If, however, your definition of style is merely someone's reaction to a design language, your statement still does not make sense. A person's reaction to an aesthetic design is very personal and subjective -- "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" after all -- and so some will agree with you and just as many others will not.
Some will agree that the RX is more stylish than the Highlander, but there will be others who vehemently disagree and believe that the Highlander is much more stylish. Others will say that neither the rather bland Highlander nor the sharp-creased RX are stylish.
If you ask someone and they agree that the RX is more stylish than the Highlander, they may agree with your thesis but still, they may have a difficult time imagining an ES that is more flaring in style than the stylish Avalon.
If you ask someone and they do not agree that the RX is more stylish than the Highlander, your thesis is dead because they will likely find it hard to imagine an ES that is more flaring in style than the Avalon.
In any case, we have not yet seen what the ES will look like, so it is all speculation at this point.
Let's not go down this route. You are pulling stereotypes again and risk insulting a proud nation and its people.
Are you God?
Who are you to judge your opinion as right, and another forum member's opinion as wrong?
You are too opinionated in your views.
Your opinion is only your 2 cents.
Your destructive attitude is unhelpful to Avalon sales, and if Avalon sales does go down, you will merely put in the SUV excuse.
You want to be constructive & to provide constructive feedback to enhance Avalon sales.
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Last edited by peteharvey; 01-20-18 at 08:39 PM.
01-22-18, 09:40 AM
#353
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
not a fan of the ski slope center stack but it doesn't suck. 
01-22-18, 11:24 AM
#356
Lexus Fanatic
Not the first time a Toyota has had AVS. The Sequoia has had it since 2008. And back in the day, some Toyota models had it, namely the Supra.
01-22-18, 01:03 PM
#357
01-23-18, 12:17 AM
#358
Some of you may not agree, but IMO the best-driving Avalon of all was the original mid/late 90s version....though its interior wasn't that much to look at, and it was basically just a stretched Camry. But its build-quality and road manners were superior to any of the later models.
01-23-18, 05:04 AM
#359
Lexus Fanatic
I actually liked the 2nd gen Avalon better(2000-2004). The styling was a bit less bland, looked like a Benz S-class from certain angles. The tall roofline let you sit up a bit higher than the 1st gen, yet you had excellent head room, leg room, hip room in both the front and back seats. Front and back seats were S-class Benz in terms of space and comfort, although because of price you were limited on features/buttons. Interior and dash design were a step above the 1st gen car as well, I liked the swoopy dash that neatly intergrated with the door panels, the cloth seat material was very high quality, very plush and soft. Trunk was also MUCH bigger than an S-class, plus the Toyota was way better built, way more reliable, way cheaper to service. You still see a lot of this gen Avalon on the road, while the w220 S-class has mostly been scrapped. I live in a wealthy area, those who had the cash and avoid the flash buy something like the Avalon and keep it forever, those who want the flash buy a new Benz every 2 to 5 years, after that who cares about the Benz, it falls into disrepair and is junked because the 2nd or 3rd owner can't afford to keep it on the road.
01-24-18, 01:24 AM
#360
The 2nd gen Avalon had the record at 104k/yr.
The 3rd gen Avalon did almost as well with 95k/yr.
The 4th gen Avalon [which I thought was the most handsome] fell to a peak of only 70k+/yr - probably due to modern vertical space growth in the form of SUV/CUV's like Highlander etc.