2019 Toyota Avalon
#512
AVS can adjust the shock-damping, but it can't make the wheels or tires any smoother-riding. Only more profile in the tire can do that....one more reason, IMO, to get the 17" wheels.
#513
When you drive modern cars with adaptive suspensions I am amazed by how well they handle low profile tires.
#514
I've seen a few cars where that is true (The 2Gen Hyundai Genesis, for one, though not quite to the same extent with the G80 successor), and to a lesser extent with the Lincoln MKZ. The best example was probably the former-generation BMW 335....which truly was amazing even with the 35s on the Sport Package. But, more often than not, at least in my experience, that is not the case.....45s and under tend to produce stiff rides. My Verano's 45's, for example, were nice in the summer, with warm soft rubber in the tires and warm shock fluid, but not in the winter. The Lacrosse's 50s are noticeably better year-around.
#515
I've seen a few cars where that is true (The 2Gen Hyundai Genesis, for one, though not quite to the same extent with the G80 successor), and to a lesser extent with the Lincoln MKZ. The best example was probably the former-generation BMW 335....which truly was amazing even with the 35s on the Sport Package. But, more often than not, at least in my experience, that is not the case.....45s and under tend to produce stiff rides. My Verano's 45's, for example, were nice in the summer, with warm soft rubber in the tires and warm shock fluid, but not in the winter. The Lacrosse's 50s are noticeably better year-around.
So it is very good from them to offer us options. You would get softer Limited and I would personally get Touring.
#516
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For all its added energetic vocalization, Avalon never ceases to deliver a civilized, library-quiet interior, if desired. Road noise and engine droning have been culled while cruising quietness and engine sound have been improved. Its TNGA platform utilizes additional seals where front fenders meet front doors and where the doors merge at the B-Pillar. More sound absorption material is found in the engine bay, within the carpet pad, under the floor, and in the wheel well liners. The exterior rearview mirrors not only reduce drag, but also wind noise, making for an extremely quite environment for all.
Avalon’s refined acoustic repertoire spans inside and out. Through Sport+, passengers receive a concerto of exciting, natural sounds through a new exhaust system with sport modified baffles, an Intake Sound Generator (ISG), Active Noise Control (ANC), and Engine Sound Enhancement (ESE).
ISG amplifies the engine’s air inhalation sound to create robust vocalization and, on the exhalation end, the all-new exhaust with baffle tuning ups the sound character at start-up, idle, and acceleration. ANC and ESE work to cancel any unwanted exterior noise while simultaneously enhancing engine sound via the JBL multimedia system’s in-cabin speakers. Exceptional engine notes at start-up are also enhanced; a hearty “flare” of sound occurs right before idle upon start-up. At wide-open-throttle acceleration, more engine grunt is heard throughout the rev range.
For all its added energetic vocalization, Avalon never ceases to deliver a civilized, library-quiet interior, if desired. Road noise and engine droning have been culled while cruising quietness and engine sound have been improved. Its TNGA platform utilizes additional seals where front fenders meet front doors and where the doors merge at the B-Pillar. More sound absorption material is found in the engine bay, within the carpet pad, under the floor, and in the wheel well liners. The exterior rearview mirrors not only reduce drag, but also wind noise, making for an extremely quite environment for all.
#517
I've seen a few cars where that is true (The 2Gen Hyundai Genesis, for one, though not quite to the same extent with the G80 successor), and to a lesser extent with the Lincoln MKZ. The best example was probably the former-generation BMW 335....which truly was amazing even with the 35s on the Sport Package. But, more often than not, at least in my experience, that is not the case.....45s and under tend to produce stiff rides. My Verano's 45's, for example, were nice in the summer, with warm soft rubber in the tires and warm shock fluid, but not in the winter. The Lacrosse's 50s are noticeably better year-around.
My LS460L rides better on 45 series tires than my LS460 did on 50 series tires. Why? Longer wheelbase and an adaptive suspension. I would suggest you drive a Volvo XC90 on air and on the regular suspension and note the difference with the big 22" wheels.
#518
The 2 gen Genesis and the G80 are the same. Any difference between the two is in your head. Anyways, that car doesn't have an adaptive suspension and neither does the MKZ so those examples don't illustrate the point. Neither did your Verano. and neither did that 335.
My LS460L rides better on 45 series tires than my LS460 did on 50 series tires. Why? Longer wheelbase and an adaptive suspension. I would suggest you drive a Volvo XC90 on air and on the regular suspension and note the difference with the big 22" wheels.
My LS460L rides better on 45 series tires than my LS460 did on 50 series tires. Why? Longer wheelbase and an adaptive suspension. I would suggest you drive a Volvo XC90 on air and on the regular suspension and note the difference with the big 22" wheels.
I do agree, however, that the 2Gen Genesis was remarkably smooth with the 45s...if you go back and look at that review I did, I really gave it some glowing remarks on that. It's also possible that the G80 I sampled had incorrect tire-pressure (too much air in the tires, which firmed it up a little), and/or the PSI indicators weren't working correctly. So...I'm not saying that you are totally wrong or I am totally right.
Last edited by bitkahuna; 04-23-18 at 09:14 PM.
#519
They are exactly the same car. Having driven both, I felt no difference in the ride characteristics.
The point I was making that you commented on however involves cars with adaptive suspension systems, which that car doesn't have (unless its a G80 Sport, and if it is guess what? It rides better than the normal G80 because of that adaptive system).
The point I was making that you commented on however involves cars with adaptive suspension systems, which that car doesn't have (unless its a G80 Sport, and if it is guess what? It rides better than the normal G80 because of that adaptive system).
#520
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/auto/2...31177/preview/
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/04/23/...iew-563462089/
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/fir...rst-drive.html
https://www.cars.com/articles/2019-t...1420699794150/
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https://www.consumerreports.org/seda...tation-boring/
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/04/23/...iew-563462089/
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/fir...rst-drive.html
https://www.cars.com/articles/2019-t...1420699794150/
https://www.thecarconnection.com/new...-sassy-chassis
https://www.consumerreports.org/seda...tation-boring/