2019 Toyota Avalon
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Can you give an example of something where it did not sell well but it was what people wanted? Hard to find many examples imo.
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The RX has the option for AVS. Sequoia has it. The Avalons direct competitor the LaCrosse has it as an option. Continental has it. I would think it will have it.
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I will amend my Avalon AVS comment. Anything major such as AVS, I would fully expect to be offered on the ES. Now that they are both made in Kentucky, it would only make sense.
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Looks like it shares the same vestigial "quad" pipes from the Camry. You can see that most (if not all) of the exhaust comes straight through the two inner pipes. The outer ones, just like Camry I'm guessing, are essentially there for looks. Cadenza is definitely a good benchmark for the class.
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Can you give an example of something where it did not sell well but it was what people wanted? Hard to find many examples imo.
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reducing it to 'in other words' if 10 'people' out of a potential marketsize of 100 buy a product and for a later version 8 people out of a potential marketsize of 50 buy it, which is more 'successful'?
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I get what you are trying to get at. But, the overall car market did not grow 5X from model year 12 to model 13 when the redesign took place. Sales went from 30k to 70k once the new design Avalon came out. When the 05 debuted, sales were 95K, but Toyota Camry never received the same 3.5 as the Avalon until 07. This is what I am trying to get at, sometimes we think we know more than the manufacturers. It is interesting because with all this bashing about the 13's ride, people conveniently fail to mention that the previous generation in 05 had a regular super soft ride as well as a firmer touring model. How do we know the take rate might of been higher for the touring ride before the 2013 model debuted. Well, we don't. Maybe Toyota knows more than we know?
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Bears out what I said...the Impala is cheaper than the Lacrosse, and the Avalon cheaper than the ES. So the Avalon/Impala and ES/Lacrosse are actually the two closer set of competitors.
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Impala $27,500......Avalon $33,500
LaCrosse $29,400.....ES350 $38,900
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I get what you are trying to get at. But, the overall car market did not grow 5X from model year 12 to model 13 when the redesign took place. Sales went from 30k to 70k once the new design Avalon came out. When the 05 debuted, sales were 95K, but Toyota Camry never received the same 3.5 as the Avalon until 07. This is what I am trying to get at, sometimes we think we know more than the manufacturers. It is interesting because with all this bashing about the 13's ride, people conveniently fail to mention that the previous generation in 05 had a regular super soft ride as well as a firmer touring model. How do we know the take rate might of been higher for the touring ride before the 2013 model debuted. Well, we don't. Maybe Toyota knows more than we know?
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I guess we can speculate, however sales numbers are raw facts that are hard to argue with. Contrast the discussion with the Buick LaCrosse which received a redesign in 2017 yet the sales figures actually decreased from the year before in the final year of the last gen model, can we infer that perhaps GM missed what buyers really want in the new 2017? Then look back at the LaCrosse 2010 redesign which ended up doubling its numbers from the outgoing model of 2009, why has the current model not caught on? I think the 2010 design had a bit of more sporty or firm feel (but still nice riding)
I am actually surprised Toyota is committed to the Avalon for the 2019 model. I thought they would cancel the model to be honest. Sales figures are a few years away however with all this talk about cross overs and SUVs, I would not be surprised if sales were to increase as Toyota is a pretty strong brand, I will be shocked to learn if sales were double while going to a much softer suspension. I do predict an AVS type suspension this time around and big MSRP price increase. I don't expect the new Avalon sales to match the 13 sales, but I would expect at least 20K increase in units moved.
But back to the LaCrosse for a second, I test drove the 17 out of pure curiosity and all the talk and multiple threads about the car in this Lexus forum. I thought the vehicle was wonderful and definitely an excellent product. I think my comments were that the LaCrosse was much better driving than the Lexus ES. GM absolutely nailed the ride quality. But the big disappointment is that it is clearly not selling well, and generally speaking sales in the first year of redesigns should produce an increase.
I am actually surprised Toyota is committed to the Avalon for the 2019 model. I thought they would cancel the model to be honest. Sales figures are a few years away however with all this talk about cross overs and SUVs, I would not be surprised if sales were to increase as Toyota is a pretty strong brand, I will be shocked to learn if sales were double while going to a much softer suspension. I do predict an AVS type suspension this time around and big MSRP price increase. I don't expect the new Avalon sales to match the 13 sales, but I would expect at least 20K increase in units moved.
But back to the LaCrosse for a second, I test drove the 17 out of pure curiosity and all the talk and multiple threads about the car in this Lexus forum. I thought the vehicle was wonderful and definitely an excellent product. I think my comments were that the LaCrosse was much better driving than the Lexus ES. GM absolutely nailed the ride quality. But the big disappointment is that it is clearly not selling well, and generally speaking sales in the first year of redesigns should produce an increase.
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For those too young to remember, in the past, MR2, Supra, Cressida, were among some of the past examples of Toyota models that were considered a premium. .