Lexus LS500 reviews and discussion
02-24-18, 10:36 AM
#136
Lexus Fanatic
Mercedes uses a similar setup on the S Class.
Here's a picture. The little button all the way to the left on the small panel with the memory seat buttons above the door handle:
Is it the right direction? Not really sure yet, need more time but I think making a whisper quiet car that is good on ergonomics is not what the market wants. Don't you think it is amazing that they changed the LS so much and took away some of the details yet the press media actually likes the car?
02-24-18, 11:10 AM
#137
Lexus Fanatic
What is interesting about MT, is that they recently compared a bunch of large sedans and claim that the Ls500 is vastly superior to the 460, because of sport and styling credentials . But, they then go on to claim that the G90 is worthy of the S class comparison yet they claim is lacks better styling and sportiness which is what the 460 was which the G90 benchmarked.
Long term, this design I think will struggle. It short term it will do well I believe.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 02-24-18 at 11:16 AM.
02-24-18, 11:49 AM
#138
Lexus Fanatic
Wind noise isn't really a desirable noise though, road feel/feedback and engine note arguably are, which is why I was surprised that it had a little bit more wind noise.
What is interesting about MT, is that they recently compared a bunch of large sedans and claim that the Ls500 is vastly superior to the 460, because of sport and styling credentials . But, they then go on to claim that the G90 is worthy of the S class comparison yet they claim is lacks better styling and sportiness which is what the 460 was which the G90 benchmarked.
I would say the only thing the LS500 has I wish my LS460L did is the massaging seats. Those are pretty awesome.
02-24-18, 12:18 PM
#139
The pursuit of F
Standout read thanks to an unprecedented current 4LS ownership comparison! It doesn't get better than this.
I was surprised (as you) on the reduced rear legroom when I saw it last week at the autoshow and I can't recall where I saw it, total legroom is tighter than your average midsize sedan.
Hyundai corp's 3.3TT V6 in the Stinger is very smooth and one of the qualities that still impresses me today with the car. It's noticeably smoother than the 3.5 V6 in the IS, but is it really smoother (G80) than the LS' 3.5 TT V6??
From the additional replies above, I finally have an answer as to why the highway noise levels are not improved and slightly worse - Cd dropped to 0.30...
These negatives aside, the LS 500 is super polished though I wish (and hope) for a V8 and a little more glitz/tech on the interior.
I was surprised (as you) on the reduced rear legroom when I saw it last week at the autoshow and I can't recall where I saw it, total legroom is tighter than your average midsize sedan.
Hyundai corp's 3.3TT V6 in the Stinger is very smooth and one of the qualities that still impresses me today with the car. It's noticeably smoother than the 3.5 V6 in the IS, but is it really smoother (G80) than the LS' 3.5 TT V6??
From the additional replies above, I finally have an answer as to why the highway noise levels are not improved and slightly worse - Cd dropped to 0.30...
These negatives aside, the LS 500 is super polished though I wish (and hope) for a V8 and a little more glitz/tech on the interior.
02-24-18, 12:33 PM
#140
Lexus Fanatic
Thanks!
Obviously I didn't drive a 3.3TT G90 back to back with the LS500, but I don't remember feeling any coarseness or hearing anything unrefined when I drove that car, which I did feel in the LS500.
Obviously I didn't drive a 3.3TT G90 back to back with the LS500, but I don't remember feeling any coarseness or hearing anything unrefined when I drove that car, which I did feel in the LS500.
02-24-18, 12:38 PM
#141
Lexus Fanatic
02-24-18, 12:40 PM
#142
The pursuit of F
Gotcha. I recall some of the reviews on the LS 500 also pointed out the slight coarseness at higher revs, consistent with your experience!
02-24-18, 12:53 PM
#143
Lexus Fanatic
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great thorough review, thanks!!
by the way though, each time you wrote 'tighter' though i thought you meant screwed/glued/welded tighter together, not a tighter (more cramped) space.
to me a luxury flagship sedan should be ROOMY. i was just (unfortunately) in a funeral in england and the car I rode in as part of the 'cortege' (funeral procession) was a giant daimler sedan about 30 years old. it had 3 rows of seats and was awesome. acres of burled walnut on the front dash... really great.
by the way though, each time you wrote 'tighter' though i thought you meant screwed/glued/welded tighter together, not a tighter (more cramped) space.
to me a luxury flagship sedan should be ROOMY. i was just (unfortunately) in a funeral in england and the car I rode in as part of the 'cortege' (funeral procession) was a giant daimler sedan about 30 years old. it had 3 rows of seats and was awesome. acres of burled walnut on the front dash... really great.
02-24-18, 05:29 PM
#145
Lexus Test Driver
Wow $100k is steep for the V6 version thats not even fully loaded.
I see the G90 and new V6 S450 being big winners as a result of the LS redesign and change to a sporty alternative.
I see the G90 and new V6 S450 being big winners as a result of the LS redesign and change to a sporty alternative.
02-24-18, 05:45 PM
#147
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Wow $100k is steep for the V6 version thats not even fully loaded.
https://www.lexus.ca/lexus/en/automobiles/ls
02-24-18, 05:58 PM
#148
Lexus Fanatic
Though RNM GS3 has a NY address, I think he is refering to Canadian dollars. In Canada, the V6 LS starts at $102,700
https://www.lexus.ca/lexus/en/automobiles/ls
https://www.lexus.ca/lexus/en/automobiles/ls
02-24-18, 06:04 PM
#149
Lexus Champion
Though RNM GS3 has a NY address, I think he is refering to Canadian dollars. In Canada, the V6 LS starts at $102,700
https://www.lexus.ca/lexus/en/automobiles/ls
https://www.lexus.ca/lexus/en/automobiles/ls
02-24-18, 06:16 PM
#150
Lexus had a problem with their flagship. The LS460 had gotten old and was no longer selling. As I see it, they had two ways to go with the replacement. The "safe" approach (which I favor) was to make a better LS. More room, quieter, better riding, more luxurious, and faster. More like a Genesis G90 on steroids. The path they chose was to invent a new kind of car to replace the LS. Obviously it is targeted at a different buyer than the traditional LS customer as it forsakes many of the characteristics that made the LS what it was. I'm not thrilled with the result. Bigger on the outside and smaller on the inside doesn't make much sense. I generally like the interior except for the instrument section. Much too small for this car and the ***** on either side are just flat ugly. The exterior styling doesn't inspire me to rush out and buy one. At best, it isn't as bad as I thought it might be.
I can't figure who Lexus thinks the buyers are for this car. They're not likely to get many S Class, 7 Series, or A8 conquests.
I can't figure who Lexus thinks the buyers are for this car. They're not likely to get many S Class, 7 Series, or A8 conquests.