Lexus LS500 reviews and discussion
05-28-18, 09:38 AM
#316
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I have to say no question the fit/finish is top notch. The shifter is counter intuitive as the guy I rode with could not figure it out and we were so far behind the pack due to his inability to put the vehicle in D, other vehicles got in between us and the pack of other LS500s. Maybe in a couple years they fix the steering and offer a V8...who knows? Or, there is nothing to fix and they researched that this is what their audience wants. I always felt that Toyota wanted to surpass the Germans and offer the same for less, but I don't get that feeling anymore, meaning there is no same, and there is no less.
05-28-18, 09:56 AM
#317
Lexus Test Driver
I have to say no question the fit/finish is top notch. The shifter is counter intuitive as the guy I rode with could not figure it out and we were so far behind the pack due to his inability to put the vehicle in D, other vehicles got in between us and the pack of other LS500s. Maybe in a couple years they fix the steering and offer a V8...who knows? Or, there is nothing to fix and they researched that this is what their audience wants. I always felt that Toyota wanted to surpass the Germans and offer the same for less, but I don't get that feeling anymore, meaning there is no same, and there is no less.
Most of the other ppl had same issue.
Throttle lag of 2-3sec even in Sport + mode is completely unacceptable imo.
The engine “noise” is also not inspiring nor welcome on a car meant for complete silence.
Also there is no way to independently Program steering, suspension, engine etc.
Overall the build quality and interior design is commendable but still below Designo Sclass or Individual interior on 7series.
Also most ppl in our group voiced desire for V8.
05-28-18, 10:00 AM
#318
And not gonna drive it any time soon.
Will be interesting to see May's stats.
Let's see if 5LS is what GStar claims it to be.
Personal attacks on Peter Harvey do absolutely nothing to help Lexus 5LS sales figures.
The thread is about a car, and not about a person.
You could help 5LS sales figures long term if you give constructive feedback.
I am sure TMC would have some type of officer in charge of customer support & feedback for their products going through this subjective forum, as opposed to their regular post-sales objective polling.
Feedback is obtained from a combination of objective & subjective measures.
To maximize sales volume, one must have the mainstream volume selling product first - before one can sporty niche in low volumes.
The mainstream volume seller to the mass public financially subsidizes the low volume sporty niche for the enthusiasts.
For example, Mercedes has the top selling S Class, and only then do they niche with the low volume sporty front mid-engined low riding AMG GT 4 Door Coupe.
Likewise, BMW has the 7 Series volume selling sedans first, and only then do they niche with the low volume sporty 8 Series 4 Door Coupes.
Audi too has the A8 volume selling sedans first, and only then do they niche with the low volume sporty A8-derived Porsche Panamera 4 Door Coupes.
Lexus has no regular spacious full size luxury sedan with an A-grade quality ride, yet they are already diving into low volume sporty niche designs with a front mid-engine & low center of gravity 5LS - for a cramped full size luxury interior, and what one journalist describes as a B-grade quality ride on run-flat tires.
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Will be interesting to see May's stats.
Let's see if 5LS is what GStar claims it to be.
Personal attacks on Peter Harvey do absolutely nothing to help Lexus 5LS sales figures.
The thread is about a car, and not about a person.
You could help 5LS sales figures long term if you give constructive feedback.
I am sure TMC would have some type of officer in charge of customer support & feedback for their products going through this subjective forum, as opposed to their regular post-sales objective polling.
Feedback is obtained from a combination of objective & subjective measures.
To maximize sales volume, one must have the mainstream volume selling product first - before one can sporty niche in low volumes.
The mainstream volume seller to the mass public financially subsidizes the low volume sporty niche for the enthusiasts.
For example, Mercedes has the top selling S Class, and only then do they niche with the low volume sporty front mid-engined low riding AMG GT 4 Door Coupe.
Likewise, BMW has the 7 Series volume selling sedans first, and only then do they niche with the low volume sporty 8 Series 4 Door Coupes.
Audi too has the A8 volume selling sedans first, and only then do they niche with the low volume sporty A8-derived Porsche Panamera 4 Door Coupes.
Lexus has no regular spacious full size luxury sedan with an A-grade quality ride, yet they are already diving into low volume sporty niche designs with a front mid-engine & low center of gravity 5LS - for a cramped full size luxury interior, and what one journalist describes as a B-grade quality ride on run-flat tires.
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You do have rebuttal of extensive post of your opinion and your value, haven never driven a Lexus LS yourself to be so critical of it. Just saying.
05-28-18, 10:05 AM
#319
Completely agree on the shifter - took me 5min to figure out how to move it into drive.
Most of the other ppl had same issue.
Throttle lag of 2-3sec even in Sport + mode is completely unacceptable imo.
The engine “noise” is also not inspiring nor welcome on a car meant for complete silence.
Also there is no way to independently Program steering, suspension, engine etc.
Overall the build quality and interior design is commendable but still below Designo Sclass or Individual interior on 7series.
Also most ppl in our group voiced desire for V8.
Wondering if the old previous V8 was test driven back to back with the higher hp and tq V6TT, what would be the results and comments then?
05-28-18, 10:08 AM
#320
Lexus Test Driver
This is a car chat forum full of People’s opinions. You can still analyze auto industry/ brands even if you didnt personally drive the car. Obviously a person with 1st hand experience has a much better analysis of the “feel” for the car beyond the specs.
05-28-18, 10:13 AM
#321
Lexus Test Driver
I had to check the hp and tq figures (V8 vs New V6TT), a few times hearing the V8 comments. I continue to wonder what all the noise is about, when the V6 TT make way more hp, and toque than the V8 made????????
Wondering if the old previous V8 was test driven back to back with the higher hp and tq V6TT, what would be the results and comments then?
Wondering if the old previous V8 was test driven back to back with the higher hp and tq V6TT, what would be the results and comments then?
Also the tuning of transmission/ engine is setup for fuel efficiency 1st rather than sport.
There is noticeable throttle lag and some turbo lag.
I dont doubt its just as powerful as the old V8 but its definitely not as smooth or quiet.
05-28-18, 10:20 AM
#322
The HP #s are way over exaggerated as has been shown in instrumented testing done by 3rd parties.
Also the tuning of transmission/ engine is setup for fuel efficiency 1st rather than sport.
There is noticeable throttle lag and some turbo lag.
I dont doubt its just as powerful as the old V8 but its definitely not as smooth or quiet.
It's just so common for some crowds to stick their nose out for anything because it does not say V8. I do get the point, but hope you understand what I'm saying too.
I personally never hate more Tq, in a newer year.
05-28-18, 03:29 PM
#324
Cars like the LS, S, 7 Series, and heck even 5 series have become so isolated and detached from the driver, that its hard to judge their performance without testing equipment. From the drivers seat they all feel the same.
Also, every car has lag, especially turbo charged.
Also, every car has lag, especially turbo charged.
05-28-18, 03:41 PM
#326
Lexus Fanatic
Agree, but theres a difference between posting an opinion and constantly arguing about attributes of a car you have never even driven with people who have driven them and own them.
05-28-18, 03:51 PM
#327
Yep, exactly. I drive a lot of cars, and I don't argue with people about a car they have driven and/or have extensive experience with that I don't.
What you're feeling is the electric power steering vs the hydraulic steering in your cars. Thats just kind of the nature of the beast.
Agree, but theres a difference between posting an opinion and constantly arguing about attributes of a car you have never even driven with people who have driven them and own them.
What you're feeling is the electric power steering vs the hydraulic steering in your cars. Thats just kind of the nature of the beast.
Agree, but theres a difference between posting an opinion and constantly arguing about attributes of a car you have never even driven with people who have driven them and own them.
05-29-18, 04:47 AM
#328
Lexus Fanatic
Yep, exactly. I drive a lot of cars, and I don't argue with people about a car they have driven and/or have extensive experience with that I don't.
What you're feeling is the electric power steering vs the hydraulic steering in your cars. Thats just kind of the nature of the beast.
Agree, but theres a difference between posting an opinion and constantly arguing about attributes of a car you have never even driven with people who have driven them and own them.
What you're feeling is the electric power steering vs the hydraulic steering in your cars. Thats just kind of the nature of the beast.
Agree, but theres a difference between posting an opinion and constantly arguing about attributes of a car you have never even driven with people who have driven them and own them.
When I had a '16 BMW 3 for 4 1/2 mos. did I get used to the steering? Yes. All the modes didn't help, sport, sport +, exaggerated the artificialness, so I just did the ECO PRO. As soon as I got into my Maxima or wife's car, I felt whoa this steering is heavy, and good. It is what it is...
I think it is noticeable on the LS500, but one would probably get used to it, until going back to an older car. If one never goes back to an older car, likely one would forget and feel it's fine.
05-29-18, 04:52 AM
#329
Lexus Fanatic
I6 twin turbo: 300/300
V8 na: 278/312
Which motor would I want in say a mid-sized SUV or pickup? The V8. And it has zero to do with the numbers on paper.
In talking to a car tuner, I said talk to me like I'm 3 y.o. and tell me what's different about a turbo in 2017 (last year), and 1988?
"Fuel delivery."
05-29-18, 07:57 AM
#330
for the paper chasers, I have two vehicles that are close in numbers, for HP/TQ:
I6 twin turbo: 300/300
V8 na: 278/312
Which motor would I want in say a mid-sized SUV or pickup? The V8. And it has zero to do with the numbers on paper.
In talking to a car tuner, I said talk to me like I'm 3 y.o. and tell me what's different about a turbo in 2017 (last year), and 1988?
"Fuel delivery."
I6 twin turbo: 300/300
V8 na: 278/312
Which motor would I want in say a mid-sized SUV or pickup? The V8. And it has zero to do with the numbers on paper.
In talking to a car tuner, I said talk to me like I'm 3 y.o. and tell me what's different about a turbo in 2017 (last year), and 1988?
"Fuel delivery."
As many Cars as I have had or Moded to F/I I don't need a Tuner to explain to me like I'm a 3 years Old. LOL! And the LS500 thread topic is Not a mid-sized SUV nor pickup.