Lexus LS500 reviews and discussion
05-31-18, 07:36 PM
#378
drives cars
Just pointing this out: Ultimately, we all know that crossovers, especially in luxury car land, are eating sedans' lunch in sales. So, the lower sales targets are simply due to reduced demand, something that auto makers plan for. You have to compare it with other models from competing brands in order to get an accurate picture. Not sure if there's enough data for that yet.
05-31-18, 08:18 PM
#380
Lexus Test Driver
Just pointing this out: Ultimately, we all know that crossovers, especially in luxury car land, are eating sedans' lunch in sales. So, the lower sales targets are simply due to reduced demand, something that auto makers plan for. You have to compare it with other models from competing brands in order to get an accurate picture. Not sure if there's enough data for that yet.
Secondly - there isn't really a big demand for "Full-Size" large *** luxury sedans anymore. Car enthusiasts and VIP-Style geeks (like me) still love them but for the general public - its just not appealing to them.
06-01-18, 05:03 AM
#382
Lexus Fanatic
What is this need to drive a car to know how it drives? Consumer Reports stated in 2015 that there was nothing sporty about the new GTI! Because they knew this to be the case! (I think nowadays there's a certain hipster aspect to devil's advocate or going against the grain)
06-01-18, 07:51 AM
#383
Pole Position
Just pointing this out: Ultimately, we all know that crossovers, especially in luxury car land, are eating sedans' lunch in sales. So, the lower sales targets are simply due to reduced demand, something that auto makers plan for. You have to compare it with other models from competing brands in order to get an accurate picture. Not sure if there's enough data for that yet.
06-01-18, 11:37 AM
#385
Lexus Test Driver
What is this need to drive a car to know how it drives? Consumer Reports stated in 2015 that there was nothing sporty about the new GTI! Because they knew this to be the case! (I think nowadays there's a certain hipster aspect to devil's advocate or going against the grain)
Another factor, I like to point out is: cities are getting more and more dense. Parking is starting to look like its non-existence. Sooner or later - we might favor smaller cars like the European and Asian market. (This is one of the reasons American car companies need to understand about foreign market - they prefer smaller cars; not trucks.)
06-01-18, 12:32 PM
#386
Lexus Champion
Time to rename this thread, "Why I hate Lexus and other irrational thoughts"
06-01-18, 02:06 PM
#387
lol, I feel like I rarely post in here but if you believe my posts in the thread have warranted the status of "fanaticism", how would you characterize yourself? I find it quite ironic. Almost troll-like.
What claim did I make again? I'd like you to back that up with some quotes.
Also ironic! The poster who continuously talks about criticism leading to better products seemingly refuses to try the products which he claims are flawed, and report the results
Correct me if I'm wrong, those that are bothered the most by flaws would be the ones most likely to report those flaws vs. those who are satisfied would be ones who are less likely to report.
Am I in the twilight zone? Another case of "do as I say, not as I do?"
What claim did I make again? I'd like you to back that up with some quotes.
Also ironic! The poster who continuously talks about criticism leading to better products seemingly refuses to try the products which he claims are flawed, and report the results
Correct me if I'm wrong, those that are bothered the most by flaws would be the ones most likely to report those flaws vs. those who are satisfied would be ones who are less likely to report.
Am I in the twilight zone? Another case of "do as I say, not as I do?"
I am nothing.
My test driving 5LS won't make any difference to 5LS sales.
GS69 just released 5LS sales for May at 908 units.
They better start discounting, otherwise even face saving sales targets won't be reached.
The most important point is for the design team to regroup in preparation for the mid-life update only 3 years away.
Rather than design a sporty niche car, and have buyers adjust to the 5LS, ergonomics is about designing a 5.5LS that fits the needs & wants of drivers.
Steve is a potential buyer.
Now, fulfil his needs wants & tastes and he'll sign on the dotted line!
Only 2 years away, the next generation 2020-27 Mercedes S Class will be on sale...
Last edited by peteharvey; 06-01-18 at 02:09 PM.
06-01-18, 02:32 PM
#388
Lexus Test Driver
I am not God.
I am nothing.
My test driving 5LS won't make any difference to 5LS sales.
GS69 just released 5LS sales for May at 908 units.
They better start discounting, otherwise even face saving sales targets won't be reached.
The most important point is for the design team to regroup in preparation for the mid-life update only 3 years away.
Rather than design a sporty niche car, and have buyers adjust to the 5LS, ergonomics is about designing a 5.5LS that fits the needs & wants of drivers.
Steve is a potential buyer.
Now, fulfil his needs wants & tastes and he'll sign on the dotted line!
Only 2 years away, the next generation 2020-27 Mercedes S Class will be on sale...
I am nothing.
My test driving 5LS won't make any difference to 5LS sales.
GS69 just released 5LS sales for May at 908 units.
They better start discounting, otherwise even face saving sales targets won't be reached.
The most important point is for the design team to regroup in preparation for the mid-life update only 3 years away.
Rather than design a sporty niche car, and have buyers adjust to the 5LS, ergonomics is about designing a 5.5LS that fits the needs & wants of drivers.
Steve is a potential buyer.
Now, fulfil his needs wants & tastes and he'll sign on the dotted line!
Only 2 years away, the next generation 2020-27 Mercedes S Class will be on sale...
February 548
March 1,008
April 999
May 908
These are the sales numbers for the 5LS so far. And so far - its averaging better sales monthly than 2015, 2016, and 2017. So the 5LS is doing pretty good.
Your whole basis is that the "older" S-Class sells more than the 5LS so the LS sucks and the S-Class is good? Just because the S-Class is selling more doesn't mean its better.
Where's the hate for the 7 Series? The 7 Series right now is selling worst than the 5LS and the S-Class. I guess the BMW 7 Series should buckle down and get ready for the refresh too.
Lexus and Japanese car brands always get the hate, oddly enough. Lexus copies Germans = hate. Lexus don't copies German and does their own thing = hate. MB/BMW is strangely immune to this hate. MB is in this area from the car world where literally nothing they do is wrong. IE: Their C-Class is either made in Mexico or South Africa. Yet - no one complains about that. Its rather annoying someone has to pay 50K plus for a car and the car is made in South Africa - that doesn't scream import.
Last edited by BippuLexus; 06-01-18 at 02:37 PM.
06-01-18, 02:39 PM
#389
January 116
February 548
March 1,008
April 999
May 908
These are the sales numbers for the 5LS so far. And so far - its averaging better sales monthly than 2015, 2016, and 2017. So the 5LS is doing pretty good.
Your whole basis is that the "older" S-Class sells more than the 5LS so the LS sucks and the S-Class is good? Just because the S-Class is selling more doesn't mean its better.
Lexus and Japanese car brands always get the hate, oddly enough. Lexus copies Germans = hate. Lexus don't copies German and does their own thing = hate. MB/BMW is strangely immune to this hate. MB is in this area from the car world where literally nothing they do is wrong. IE: Their C-Class is either made in Mexico or South Africa. Yet - no one complains about that. Its rather annoying someone has to pay 50K plus for a car and the car is made in South Africa - that doesn't scream import.
February 548
March 1,008
April 999
May 908
These are the sales numbers for the 5LS so far. And so far - its averaging better sales monthly than 2015, 2016, and 2017. So the 5LS is doing pretty good.
Your whole basis is that the "older" S-Class sells more than the 5LS so the LS sucks and the S-Class is good? Just because the S-Class is selling more doesn't mean its better.
Lexus and Japanese car brands always get the hate, oddly enough. Lexus copies Germans = hate. Lexus don't copies German and does their own thing = hate. MB/BMW is strangely immune to this hate. MB is in this area from the car world where literally nothing they do is wrong. IE: Their C-Class is either made in Mexico or South Africa. Yet - no one complains about that. Its rather annoying someone has to pay 50K plus for a car and the car is made in South Africa - that doesn't scream import.
The current generation 5 year old S Class debut with 5,678 sales in its first 3 months.
Now, if 5LS is selling 908 units in May, would you like to imagine what 5LS will sell in a few years time?
No one wants to invest a considerable amount of time and money into a vehicle - only to see sales plummet.
There is no point pretending.
No point turning a blind eye, and no point sweeping it under the carpet.
Let's be frank.
We must take the dirt with the gravy.
No - 5LS sales does not "suck".
However, yes - President Akio does take note - I'm sure he is no dummy. He knows...
So expect a decent counter-response just 3 years away at the 5.5LS mid-life update.
I'd say it's important for Akio to realize that we can apply the no more boring cars formula to the lower half of the market, but we can't just apply the no more boring cars formula to the upper half of the market, in particular the flagship sedan - unless we are willing to compromize sales.
The bulk majority of full size luxury sedan owners like Steve, are not interested in low center of gravity front mid-engine sedan with a compromized cabin size riding on run flat tires.
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Last edited by peteharvey; 06-01-18 at 03:54 PM.