Lexus LS500/LS500h
01-04-18, 04:17 PM
#796
Lead Lap
'People' huh? Well, not to the 700k in u.s. that bought hyundai/kia/genesis last year.
True, there's overlap and some confusion... kia's k900 (which didn't sell well) is very luxurious.But i don't look at genesis as static and limited for good, they're just getting started. And the g70 will bring a luxury version of the stinger to genesis.
True, there's overlap and some confusion... kia's k900 (which didn't sell well) is very luxurious.But i don't look at genesis as static and limited for good, they're just getting started. And the g70 will bring a luxury version of the stinger to genesis.
01-04-18, 07:26 PM
#797
Lexus Champion
'People' huh? Well, not to the 700k in u.s. that bought hyundai/kia/genesis last year.
True, there's overlap and some confusion... kia's k900 (which didn't sell well) is very luxurious.But i don't look at genesis as static and limited for good, they're just getting started. And the g70 will bring a luxury version of the stinger to genesis.
True, there's overlap and some confusion... kia's k900 (which didn't sell well) is very luxurious.But i don't look at genesis as static and limited for good, they're just getting started. And the g70 will bring a luxury version of the stinger to genesis.
01-04-18, 08:15 PM
#798
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
Yup, they have the wrong sedan / suv mix. Perfectly good cars like sonata, forte, elantra, cadenza, optima, etc. just won't do well against not only the huge swing to suvs but also renewed strength from stalwarts toyota and honda and upstart renegade subaru.
But we're obviously way off topic... so back to the ls500!
But we're obviously way off topic... so back to the ls500!
01-04-18, 08:20 PM
#799
Lexus Champion
All in good time. Lexus needs to update its own SUV line otherwise it's going to get caught napping on its laurels. Genesis got a screwed up start because it didn't learn how Lexus established a dealership network before launching the LS. But eventually that should get ironed out and then Lexus might have a rival.
The Genesis GV80 might become reality sooner than people think.
https://www.genesis.com/us/en/genesi...cles-gv80.html
The Genesis GV80 might become reality sooner than people think.
https://www.genesis.com/us/en/genesi...cles-gv80.html
01-04-18, 11:07 PM
#800
All in good time. Lexus needs to update its own SUV line otherwise it's going to get caught napping on its laurels. Genesis got a screwed up start because it didn't learn how Lexus established a dealership network before launching the LS. But eventually that should get ironed out and then Lexus might have a rival.
The Genesis GV80 might become reality sooner than people think.
https://www.genesis.com/us/en/genesi...cles-gv80.html
The Genesis GV80 might become reality sooner than people think.
https://www.genesis.com/us/en/genesi...cles-gv80.html
However, I wonder if the GV80 can pressure Lexus to base the next generation of RX's off the Toyota Crown/Lexus GS RWD platform with multi-link suspension and aluminium components, as opposed to using the cheap Camry FWD-based platform?
01-05-18, 05:17 AM
#801
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
pete, unlikely since the rx sells so well anyway. i don't think target customers care, but a rwd platform would have another benefit - improved packaging options without the current short wheelbase and giant front and rear overhangs.
01-05-18, 05:32 AM
#802
Lexus Fanatic
Why? The American consumer overwhelmingly prefers FWD based on sales numbers. Right or wrong , better or worse, justified or not. FWD offers a whole range of benefits that RWD does not. Overwhelmingly, the majority of people “think” they want a certain thing about a car but in fact what they really want it different. All the Corolla, Camry, Accord, Civic, Rav, Rogue, CRV etc etc back this up.The RX and being FWD will always have a leg up on its direct immediate competition if the competition were RWD.
01-05-18, 06:03 AM
#803
Lexus Fanatic
Why? The American consumer overwhelmingly prefers FWD based on sales numbers. Right or wrong , better or worse, justified or not. FWD offers a whole range of benefits that RWD does not. Overwhelmingly, the majority of people “think” they want a certain thing about a car but in fact what they really want it different. All the Corolla, Camry, Accord, Civic, Rav, Rogue, CRV etc etc back this up.The RX and being FWD will always have a leg up on its direct immediate competition if the competition were RWD.
I don’t think the American consumer prefers FWD, I think they just don’t realize or care about the difference. If the RX were a RWD based vehicle it would still sell as well, consumers just don’t care and manufacturers use FWD platforms because they’re available and cheaper.
01-05-18, 06:12 AM
#804
I don’t think the American consumer prefers FWD, I think they just don’t realize or care about the difference. If the RX were a RWD based vehicle it would still sell as well, consumers just don’t care and manufacturers use FWD platforms because they’re available and cheaper.
01-05-18, 06:50 AM
#805
Lexus Fanatic
The main issues with FWD are traction and space-efficiency, though the traction issue has been lessened somewhat by electronic traction-aids. But FWD, particularly with transverse-engine set-ups (which, of course, is the way the vast majority of FWD systems are done) allows that big, family-size room inside with relatively compact exterior dimensions, lower weight, better fuel economy, and easier maneuverability/parking.
01-05-18, 08:16 AM
#806
Pole Position
The main issues with FWD are traction and space-efficiency, though the traction issue has been lessened somewhat by electronic traction-aids. But FWD, particularly with transverse-engine set-ups (which, of course, is the way the vast majority of FWD systems are done) allows that big, family-size room inside with relatively compact exterior dimensions, lower weight, better fuel economy, and easier maneuverability/parking.
01-05-18, 09:23 AM
#807
That would be my next step if I were Lexus. Replace both the GX and LX with a new SUV off the GA-L platform. Short wheelbase to compete with X-5 and long wheelbase to compete with the coming X-7. Leave the RX as-is as the value/volume choice.
01-05-18, 09:33 AM
#808
Lexus Fanatic
The main issues with FWD are traction and space-efficiency, though the traction issue has been lessened somewhat by electronic traction-aids. But FWD, particularly with transverse-engine set-ups (which, of course, is the way the vast majority of FWD systems are done) allows that big, family-size room inside with relatively compact exterior dimensions, lower weight, better fuel economy, and easier maneuverability/parking.
01-05-18, 05:06 PM
#809
Lexus Fanatic
Well, if you look at the history of FWD (particularly in the U.S), except for the Olds Toronado and Caddy Eldorado of the 1960s, you didn't see it proliferate until CAFE and emission laws forced the downsizing of most vehicles and smaller engines. At the time, the overriding issue was fuel-economy, and the burden of meeting the government-imposed CAFE laws. RWD was not necessarily more expensive, or cars like the RWD Chevy Chevette and Toyota Starlet could not have been sold at those dirt-cheap prices. I can remember the Chevette Scooter starting at $2899, which was less than even the ill-fated Yugo.
01-05-18, 07:54 PM
#810
I should not have pondered if Genesis GV80 would pressure Lexus to use RWD-based platform on ES & RX etc, but I meant if RWD-based GV80 would pressure Lexus to use their "premium" TNGA GA-L platform for their future ES/RX/NX etc?
The premium Global Architecture Luxury GA-L platform isn't just about RWD with long wheelbase & engine mounted longitudinally behind the front axle for near 50/50 weight distribution for less understeer, but the "premium" architecture is also about using premium multilink suspension to keep the tires perpendicular to the road surface to maximize gripe, and the premium architecture also has a high aluminium chassis content for weight reduction, hence superior performance, economy & dynamics.
The premium Global Architecture Luxury GA-L platform isn't just about RWD with long wheelbase & engine mounted longitudinally behind the front axle for near 50/50 weight distribution for less understeer, but the "premium" architecture is also about using premium multilink suspension to keep the tires perpendicular to the road surface to maximize gripe, and the premium architecture also has a high aluminium chassis content for weight reduction, hence superior performance, economy & dynamics.