Lexus LS500/LS500h
09-15-17, 11:43 AM
#76
Lexus Fanatic
The S560 has a 4.0 L engine. This is just par for the course now as engines get smaller displacement.
Car has a lot of great features, standard AVS, optional air suspension. Engine has a ton of tech, very advanced. 24 inch HUD looks awesome. 28 way adjustable seats with pneumatic movement. Will post this when I'm done watching it.
Car has a lot of great features, standard AVS, optional air suspension. Engine has a ton of tech, very advanced. 24 inch HUD looks awesome. 28 way adjustable seats with pneumatic movement. Will post this when I'm done watching it.
09-15-17, 11:46 AM
#77
Lexus Fanatic
Who says the number has to equal the displacement of the engine? It has historically, but it hasn't for multiple carmakers for a long time now.
09-15-17, 01:04 PM
#78
Traditionally, the LS debuts with class leading sales.
This new 5LS has nice interior styling, a lovely long wheelbase standard, a bang up to date small capacity turbo [because in this day and age, V8's will only sell in niche numbers], and great pricing, however it also has very controversial rear 3/4 styling.
It will be interesting to see how well it sells relative to its competition.
This new 5LS has nice interior styling, a lovely long wheelbase standard, a bang up to date small capacity turbo [because in this day and age, V8's will only sell in niche numbers], and great pricing, however it also has very controversial rear 3/4 styling.
It will be interesting to see how well it sells relative to its competition.
09-15-17, 01:12 PM
#79
Lexus Test Driver
I actually like the look, although I don't like the rear windows. If they wanted a four-door coupe look, or fastback look, or whatever you want to call it, they could have done it without the superfluous windows imo.
Another thing that will interest me about that engine is the lag. A lot of turbos with V configurations are using reverse-flow headers and turbos placed right there in the valley so to speak. This creates a tiny path between the turbo inlet, outlet and engine, thereby reducing lag without any tricks.
Lexus chose the traditional route, with longer plumbing. Those longer lengths (and simple inertia) tend to exacerbate lag. So that facet will be interesting to see. Turn up the boost or put larger turbos to make more power compounds this even more, especially in this traditional configuration versus a hot vee.
Another thing that will interest me about that engine is the lag. A lot of turbos with V configurations are using reverse-flow headers and turbos placed right there in the valley so to speak. This creates a tiny path between the turbo inlet, outlet and engine, thereby reducing lag without any tricks.
Lexus chose the traditional route, with longer plumbing. Those longer lengths (and simple inertia) tend to exacerbate lag. So that facet will be interesting to see. Turn up the boost or put larger turbos to make more power compounds this even more, especially in this traditional configuration versus a hot vee.
09-15-17, 02:07 PM
#80
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09-15-17, 02:38 PM
#81
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by Rhambler
Another thing that will interest me about that engine is the lag. A lot of turbos with V configurations are using reverse-flow headers and turbos placed right there in the valley so to speak. This creates a tiny path between the turbo inlet, outlet and engine, thereby reducing lag without any tricks.
Lexus chose the traditional route, with longer plumbing. Those longer lengths (and simple inertia) tend to exacerbate lag. So that facet will be interesting to see. Turn up the boost or put larger turbos to make more power compounds this even more, especially in this traditional configuration versus a hot vee.
Lexus chose the traditional route, with longer plumbing. Those longer lengths (and simple inertia) tend to exacerbate lag. So that facet will be interesting to see. Turn up the boost or put larger turbos to make more power compounds this even more, especially in this traditional configuration versus a hot vee.
09-15-17, 03:03 PM
#82
Lexus Test Driver
It's refreshing hearing Lexus holding the line on pricing. The pattern has always been, every new redesign of a car in this class brings on another $3000-5000. Once a competitor does it, everyone else follows to stay in the same bracket (a good excuse to raise prices). If one took a stance, as Lexus has done here, it breaks the pattern. Well done.
09-15-17, 05:46 PM
#83
Lexus Test Driver
I'm surprised few people mentioned torque when taking about the turbo 6s in the top German sedans and now the LS500. A big V8 may sound good but a smaller turbo engine will have more torque at lower rpm with better overall fuel consumption. A heavy luxury sedan needs good torque to move off the line whereas horsepower is more for bragging.
09-15-17, 05:57 PM
#84
$75000 starting price because they know anything higher, and people wouldn't even look at it.
and the SUV craze needs to stop. Most people are driving SUV's with the inside empty, not even using the utility.
on second thought, nevermind. It makes sedans cheaper to buy, and easier negotiation
and the SUV craze needs to stop. Most people are driving SUV's with the inside empty, not even using the utility.
on second thought, nevermind. It makes sedans cheaper to buy, and easier negotiation
09-16-17, 03:27 AM
#85
Pole Position
New GS vs new LS
There is already reliable news that the next gen GS will go upmarket as a 4 door GranCoupe and someone even speculated in this thread that the new GS would start at 70k.
Compared to the 75k starting price of the new LS and considering that the LS will come as LWB standard, I have an interesting speculation, assuming the 70k and 75k prices of the GS and LS hold true.
The new GS may well be a SWB LS500 packaged in LC styling. That would explain why a GS would be so close to the LS in price and why the new LS can be so affordable, since the development costs can be shared with the new GS which would be essentially the same car except SWB.
In one fell swoop, Lexus solves the awkward positioning of the ES and GS wrt each other and also creates an upmarket competitor to the 6 series GC, MB CLS and Audi A7.
ES gets the midsize sedan luxury segment all to itself in Lexus' lineup, allowing it to further flourish and grab even more sales. GS no longer has model schizophrenia : it doesn't have to a semiaffordable 4 door family hauler anymore but is free to fully embrace its Sporty and Stylish Grancoupe remit.
Compared to the 75k starting price of the new LS and considering that the LS will come as LWB standard, I have an interesting speculation, assuming the 70k and 75k prices of the GS and LS hold true.
The new GS may well be a SWB LS500 packaged in LC styling. That would explain why a GS would be so close to the LS in price and why the new LS can be so affordable, since the development costs can be shared with the new GS which would be essentially the same car except SWB.
In one fell swoop, Lexus solves the awkward positioning of the ES and GS wrt each other and also creates an upmarket competitor to the 6 series GC, MB CLS and Audi A7.
ES gets the midsize sedan luxury segment all to itself in Lexus' lineup, allowing it to further flourish and grab even more sales. GS no longer has model schizophrenia : it doesn't have to a semiaffordable 4 door family hauler anymore but is free to fully embrace its Sporty and Stylish Grancoupe remit.
09-16-17, 05:06 AM
#86
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by chromedome
I'm surprised few people mentioned torque when taking about the turbo 6s in the top German sedans and now the LS500. A big V8 may sound good but a smaller turbo engine will have more torque at lower rpm with better overall fuel consumption. A heavy luxury sedan needs good torque to move off the line whereas horsepower is more for bragging.
09-16-17, 07:19 AM
#89
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by mmarshall
I think most of us here on Car Chat clearly know the difference (and what the HP and torque-curves mean). Ditto for the auto press and most reviewers. But, yes, you probably have a point about the general public.