Lexus LS500/LS500h
02-06-18, 07:12 PM
#976
Lexus Champion
Or is this a case of "the person doth protest too much?"
Perhaps the poster is insecure in his new car purchase so tries to convince himself that he made the right decision by posting incessantly about how terrible his old car was.
If he can convince the entire CL community to turn against Lexus, he will finally find peace with his decision to change cars.
Insecurity can be a terrible mistress.
Perhaps the poster is insecure in his new car purchase so tries to convince himself that he made the right decision by posting incessantly about how terrible his old car was.
If he can convince the entire CL community to turn against Lexus, he will finally find peace with his decision to change cars.
Insecurity can be a terrible mistress.
02-06-18, 07:20 PM
#978
Lexus Test Driver
It was terrible. I couldn’t get rid of that car fast enough. I never walked away from a car one year in before. I’m bitter I even got it.
And if you really think the old LS is better than the S7. Please. There’s no comparison. The only thing I regret is getting that Lexus to begin with.
And if you really think the old LS is better than the S7. Please. There’s no comparison. The only thing I regret is getting that Lexus to begin with.
02-06-18, 07:24 PM
#979
Lexus Champion
It was terrible. I couldn’t get rid of that car fast enough. I never walked away from a car one year in before. I’m bitter I even got it.
And if you really think the old LS is better than the S7. Please. There’s no comparison. The only thing I regret is getting that Lexus to begin with.
And if you really think the old LS is better than the S7. Please. There’s no comparison. The only thing I regret is getting that Lexus to begin with.
02-06-18, 07:28 PM
#980
Lexus Fanatic
I think the bottom line is, cars have different personalities, and what one person likes in a car others don't like. People say the LS has never had any personality, I don't really agree. Its traditionally been an understated, very smooth, quiet and refined car that takes age and miles incredibly well. That dependability is in and of itself a personality. The characteristics that make one person run away from the LS are exactly what has always drawn me to it. I love just wafting down the road at 80 MPH in silence with the road just slipping underneath me. A few months ago we were about 70 miles from home out on the bay for the day, me and some friends from work and my business partner. He had stopped drinking before me, and he drove us back to our office in my LS, he had never driven one before (he's a "personality" guy). He was bowled over by the experience of driving it, he loved it. Something to be said for "boring" in the right set of circumstances.
Now, this new LS has attempted to inject some of what people typically consider "personality" into the car, and personally that injection drove me away from the car but I could see how it would potentially attract other people. I'm not kidding when I say I would much rather have my LS than an S7 or an AMG E Class or an M5. I wouldn't even consider any of those cars. Maybe for somebody like my partner it retains enough of what wowed him on that highway drive back to DC while giving him enough "personality" to get him through the day to day? I'm interested to see how it does, and I'm interested to see how the sorts of buyers differ from what we've seen here with the previous cars.
Whats really interesting is having driven the latest crop of cars from MB, BMW and Audi, those cars have less "personality" than they have ever had IMHO. The 7 Series is one of the softest rides in the segment, the new A8 is very nondescript, and other Audis I've driven, A6s, the Q line of SUVs...are quite "boring" (and I quite like them). Its interesting to see Lexus embrace "personality" at the same time everybody else seems to be running away from it.
Now, this new LS has attempted to inject some of what people typically consider "personality" into the car, and personally that injection drove me away from the car but I could see how it would potentially attract other people. I'm not kidding when I say I would much rather have my LS than an S7 or an AMG E Class or an M5. I wouldn't even consider any of those cars. Maybe for somebody like my partner it retains enough of what wowed him on that highway drive back to DC while giving him enough "personality" to get him through the day to day? I'm interested to see how it does, and I'm interested to see how the sorts of buyers differ from what we've seen here with the previous cars.
Whats really interesting is having driven the latest crop of cars from MB, BMW and Audi, those cars have less "personality" than they have ever had IMHO. The 7 Series is one of the softest rides in the segment, the new A8 is very nondescript, and other Audis I've driven, A6s, the Q line of SUVs...are quite "boring" (and I quite like them). Its interesting to see Lexus embrace "personality" at the same time everybody else seems to be running away from it.
02-06-18, 07:31 PM
#981
Lexus Test Driver
Well, I don’t want to go too off topic, but I think Toyota was embarrassed that the new Supra was going to have a BMW engine, which is sacrilege imo. Which circles back to my argument that Toyota and Lexus just flat out can’t build a good engine if this rumor has any weight to it and also explain why all of their latest engines are lackluster duds.
So maybe they tried using some existing engine, modified, in the Supra considering the embarrassing backlash a BMW engine in such an iconic car would have as it would confirm Toyota can’t build good engines. However, upon testing, they discovered that’s it’s really, really slow and they’re desperately trying to fix it.
So, they are now in a catch-22 as either scenario just proves that they really can’t build decent engines. Damned if they do; damned if they don’t.
So maybe they tried using some existing engine, modified, in the Supra considering the embarrassing backlash a BMW engine in such an iconic car would have as it would confirm Toyota can’t build good engines. However, upon testing, they discovered that’s it’s really, really slow and they’re desperately trying to fix it.
So, they are now in a catch-22 as either scenario just proves that they really can’t build decent engines. Damned if they do; damned if they don’t.
Rumors of a high performance variant will come with S58 motor to be used in next gen M3/4 with 480hp.
Akio was not happy after driving the new Supra, so they had to further develop it thats why such a big delay.
New concept should be at Geneva......
02-06-18, 07:33 PM
#982
Lexus Test Driver
I owned a 2016 LS. Old. Old. I said that so people would know that I wasn’t talking about the newer one. Except for you.
Besides I don’t need to see it or sit in the new one to know it’s bad based on recent tests.
Besides I don’t need to see it or sit in the new one to know it’s bad based on recent tests.
02-06-18, 07:36 PM
#983
Lexus Test Driver
From all indications the Supra will get the BMW engines 2.0 4cyl and B58 3.0 inline 6 with 340-360hp with some minor Toyota parts - very similar to the Subaru Boxer engine in the GT86 with minimal input from Toyota.
Rumors of a high performance variant will come with S58 motor to be used in next gen M3/4 with 480hp.
Akio was not happy after driving the new Supra, so they had to further develop it thats why such a big delay.
New concept should be at Geneva......
02-06-18, 07:46 PM
#985
Lexus Fanatic
02-06-18, 07:47 PM
#986
Lexus Fanatic
To say the car is "bad" because of reviews doesn't make sense based on any of the reviews I have read or watched. Most of the negative remarks about the car I have read come from the infotainment system, which is to be expected with Lexus' system (every auto journalist hates it and always mentions in any review that they hate it). All of the reviews I've read about the car's driving experience and dynamics have been very positive.
Last edited by SW17LS; 02-06-18 at 07:50 PM.
02-06-18, 07:55 PM
#987
Lexus Fanatic
Don't know if this has already been posted (I didn't go back through almost 1000 posts)...but here is Alex's take on it. As usual, it's almost a half-hour long...so you can advance it if you want to skip some parts.
02-06-18, 09:35 PM
#988
I think the issue is that what you think "is good" and what Toyota/Lexus think "is good" are at odds. Which is fine, just buy something else. I don't understand the point of continuing to argue about it when clearly, Toyota and Lexus has plenty of consumers who buy their products and thus logically think their engines "are good". You don't, hence why you no longer own one. Case closed.
What metric are you using to back this statement up, other than your own anti Toyota/Lexus bias? What "current Lexus" vehicles are displaying initial unreliability that would lead you to believe that they won't live up to Lexus historical reputation for reliability?
You don't like the brand or its cars, fine. What I don't understand is why so much effort is put towards continually telling us all the same reasons why you don't over and over again. I'm a car guy who likes talking about cars, I don't however go on forums for cars I don't own or like and post about how I no longer own them or like them. I had Jeeps, and posted on their forums. I don't any longer and no longer post. I had a Kia and posted on that forum, I don't any longer and no longer post. That car I have a new replacement car I much prefer to the Kia, but why would I continually go back to the Kia forum and post about how I don't like the way Kia does certain things? I post on the forum for the Pacifica...which is what I now own.
What metric are you using to back this statement up, other than your own anti Toyota/Lexus bias? What "current Lexus" vehicles are displaying initial unreliability that would lead you to believe that they won't live up to Lexus historical reputation for reliability?
You don't like the brand or its cars, fine. What I don't understand is why so much effort is put towards continually telling us all the same reasons why you don't over and over again. I'm a car guy who likes talking about cars, I don't however go on forums for cars I don't own or like and post about how I no longer own them or like them. I had Jeeps, and posted on their forums. I don't any longer and no longer post. I had a Kia and posted on that forum, I don't any longer and no longer post. That car I have a new replacement car I much prefer to the Kia, but why would I continually go back to the Kia forum and post about how I don't like the way Kia does certain things? I post on the forum for the Pacifica...which is what I now own.
Preach!!! I agree with you 100%
02-06-18, 10:16 PM
#989
Lexus Fanatic
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doesn't really matter though right? I mean you said the new avalon is too expensive and you don't like big cars (although you have a 4runner and i think land cruiser besides the matrix and maybe corolla i don't remember) so i don't think you're buying a new ls?
02-06-18, 10:20 PM
#990
It sounds like you like cars that are fast with sharp reflexes and quick steering. You obviously made a big mistake buying a ‘16 LS460. It’s not a fun to drive car. It’s produces adequate power, exceptional dependability and extreme comfort. I think you would’ve been happier if you would’ve bought a GS350 F Sport or better yet a V8 GS-F. I also like fast cars and own several fast cars currently. But I wouldn’t go shopping at a Lexus store expecting to find a fast car or exciting car. I drive my Lexus GS to the grocery store and I use it to go shopping and I park it at the airport. It’s comfortable, fuel efficient and very reliable. If you want fast the S7 is a good choice for you and I’m glad you found something that makes you happy.
I’ve test driven a few Audi’s and they are okay, but not my cup of tea. Ultimately I chose the GS350 over the Audi A6 3.0T as a daily driver because several car magazines said the Lexus was the sportier and better handling car. I also test drove a A6 3.0 TFSI with the sport pack back to back with a GS F sport and I found the GS more amusing and it had plenty of passing power. Yes the A6 was faster in a straight line, but that wasn’t a main priority for my daily driver. I have a C63 AMG and new Porsche Cayman 981S in the garage for when I wanna go fast.