2018 Lincoln Navigator reviews
02-09-18, 06:46 PM
#136
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Thread Starter
Navigator and Escalade, OK...I agree they generally aren't designed for the boonies (and rarely get driven there). But the RR (and, to a lesser extent, the LX) is like the Trail-Rated badge for Jeeps...to simply BE a Land-Rover product, or a Toyota Land Cruiser/Lexus LX, the vehicle HAS to, by company standards, be capable of a certain amount of off-road capability, whether owners choose to actually use that capability or not (many, of course, don't).
Now, of course, there is the added question if owners want to pay 90-100K (or more) for vehicles like this and then take them, with those nice paint jobs, plush interiors, and nice trim out in conditions which would scratch them up (SCRATCH-OUT is good stuff, but can only do so much LOL) and get them filthy. There is also the fact, of course, that many insurance policies won't cover off-road damage, even if the vehicle is capable of it. But those issues are probably off-topic here, and best left for another thread.
Now, of course, there is the added question if owners want to pay 90-100K (or more) for vehicles like this and then take them, with those nice paint jobs, plush interiors, and nice trim out in conditions which would scratch them up (SCRATCH-OUT is good stuff, but can only do so much LOL) and get them filthy. There is also the fact, of course, that many insurance policies won't cover off-road damage, even if the vehicle is capable of it. But those issues are probably off-topic here, and best left for another thread.
A Jeep Wrangler, no doubt about it. A 4Runner Trail is not bad. A Raptor for sure. G Wagon of course.
02-09-18, 06:53 PM
#137
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(In fact, sometimes, with potholes, they don't cut it ON-road, either LOL)
02-09-18, 06:57 PM
#138
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Looks pretty capable to me:
This is on the stock 19s:
These are the upgrade 20s:
This is on the stock 19s:
These are the upgrade 20s:
02-09-18, 07:05 PM
#139
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Thread Starter
Looks pretty capable to me:
This is on the stock 19s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRfeAx2RBhY
These are the upgrade 20s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EQXismGViE
This is on the stock 19s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRfeAx2RBhY
These are the upgrade 20s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EQXismGViE
02-09-18, 07:20 PM
#140
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02-09-18, 07:22 PM
#141
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Thread Starter
But you are not seeing relevance to the reference to the photo of the 90s Land Rover that was posted. Those vehicles were outstanding off road vehicles. The new models not so much. Out of the box, R.R. and the Navigator are nothing special off pavement. Same thing for a Limited 4Runner with useless 20” rims vs a more dedicated trail model with downsized 17”
02-09-18, 07:26 PM
#142
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Are people going to use that capability? No, but that doesn’t mean it’s not there.
02-09-18, 07:35 PM
#143
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Thread Starter
Having driven one on an off-road course I just don’t agree with you. A RR is very capable off-road, just watch the videos I posted, that’s the current generation RR. RR will be much more capable than a Navigator.
Are people going to use that capability? No, but that doesn’t mean it’s not there.
02-09-18, 07:54 PM
#144
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But they weren’t nearly as nice to drive, it’s all about tradeoffs.
Bottom line for me is there are only three SUVs that I feel I wouldn’t give up any comfort from a sedan. One is a Q7, another is a Volvo XC90. Those aren’t a huge surprise, the other and above and beyond the best is the Range Rover. Pretty amazing that something can be that way and be as capable as it is.
Bottom line for me is there are only three SUVs that I feel I wouldn’t give up any comfort from a sedan. One is a Q7, another is a Volvo XC90. Those aren’t a huge surprise, the other and above and beyond the best is the Range Rover. Pretty amazing that something can be that way and be as capable as it is.
02-09-18, 07:57 PM
#145
Lexus Champion
Having driven one on an off-road course I just don’t agree with you. A RR is very capable off-road, just watch the videos I posted, that’s the current generation RR. RR will be much more capable than a Navigator.
Are people going to use that capability? No, but that doesn’t mean it’s not there.
02-09-18, 08:00 PM
#146
Lexus Fanatic
Off road where? Have you been in Africa? That would be my question. Videos are not the real world. I like RRs in general, but I understand that they are urban poseur vehicles. That's fine, people want what they want. A staged off road course at some auto show to drum up sales is not ever going to be the real world. RR used advertise this image for a long time but they appear to have walked this back.
02-09-18, 08:10 PM
#148
Lexus Champion
At least the Navigator is honest, it's not going offroad, so it's just a urban vanity soccer mom wagon.
02-09-18, 08:34 PM
#149
Lexus Fanatic
Do I live in Africa? LOL. Its a $100,000 luxury vehicle...what do I care what people in Africa drive or prefer? Videos don't prove anything? LOL, okay. The videos speak for themselves, the vehicle is capable of a lot especially given how nice it is to drive. Of course an inside course at a car show isn't the real world, but it gives you an idea of approach and departure angles, suspension articulation, shows off some of the offload technologies.
What I care about is how a vehicle is going to do for the use I'm going to have for it. I haven't driven the new Navigator, but I've driven the old one and everything else remotely comparable as I seriously considered such a vehicle. Unless the new Navigator really surprises me I'm going to prefer the RR. I highly prefer it over the LX570 and thats with me being as big a Lexus guy as I am.
What I want is a soft, smooth refined and quiet vehicle on the road, that also can take me and some people and our stuff on a trip and while we're there (say to southern WV where I go several times a year) get us where we want to go, which involves some light to moderate offroading. My Grand Cherokees worked great in this regard, but weren't as luxurious or nice to drive on the road as the Range Rover. A Range Rover would fit my needs and wants perfectly, way better than a Navigator.
My LS is wonderful to drive down there, but once its down there its gotta stay parked.
The best way I can describe the Range Rover is a Grand Cherokee on steroids. Clearly they aimed at the RR when they designed the GC.
What I care about is how a vehicle is going to do for the use I'm going to have for it. I haven't driven the new Navigator, but I've driven the old one and everything else remotely comparable as I seriously considered such a vehicle. Unless the new Navigator really surprises me I'm going to prefer the RR. I highly prefer it over the LX570 and thats with me being as big a Lexus guy as I am.
What I want is a soft, smooth refined and quiet vehicle on the road, that also can take me and some people and our stuff on a trip and while we're there (say to southern WV where I go several times a year) get us where we want to go, which involves some light to moderate offroading. My Grand Cherokees worked great in this regard, but weren't as luxurious or nice to drive on the road as the Range Rover. A Range Rover would fit my needs and wants perfectly, way better than a Navigator.
My LS is wonderful to drive down there, but once its down there its gotta stay parked.
The best way I can describe the Range Rover is a Grand Cherokee on steroids. Clearly they aimed at the RR when they designed the GC.
02-09-18, 08:59 PM
#150
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
Do I live in Africa? LOL. Its a $100,000 luxury vehicle...what do I care what people in Africa drive or prefer? Videos don't prove anything? LOL, okay. The videos speak for themselves, the vehicle is capable of a lot especially given how nice it is to drive. Of course an inside course at a car show isn't the real world, but it gives you an idea of approach and departure angles, suspension articulation, shows off some of the offload technologies.
What I care about is how a vehicle is going to do for the use I'm going to have for it. I haven't driven the new Navigator, but I've driven the old one and everything else remotely comparable as I seriously considered such a vehicle. Unless the new Navigator really surprises me I'm going to prefer the RR. I highly prefer it over the LX570 and thats with me being as big a Lexus guy as I am.
What I want is a soft, smooth refined and quiet vehicle on the road, that also can take me and some people and our stuff on a trip and while we're there (say to southern WV where I go several times a year) get us where we want to go, which involves some light to moderate offroading. My Grand Cherokees worked great in this regard, but weren't as luxurious or nice to drive on the road as the Range Rover. A Range Rover would fit my needs and wants perfectly, way better than a Navigator.
My LS is wonderful to drive down there, but once its down there its gotta stay parked.
The best way I can describe the Range Rover is a Grand Cherokee on steroids. Clearly they aimed at the RR when they designed the GC.
What I care about is how a vehicle is going to do for the use I'm going to have for it. I haven't driven the new Navigator, but I've driven the old one and everything else remotely comparable as I seriously considered such a vehicle. Unless the new Navigator really surprises me I'm going to prefer the RR. I highly prefer it over the LX570 and thats with me being as big a Lexus guy as I am.
What I want is a soft, smooth refined and quiet vehicle on the road, that also can take me and some people and our stuff on a trip and while we're there (say to southern WV where I go several times a year) get us where we want to go, which involves some light to moderate offroading. My Grand Cherokees worked great in this regard, but weren't as luxurious or nice to drive on the road as the Range Rover. A Range Rover would fit my needs and wants perfectly, way better than a Navigator.
My LS is wonderful to drive down there, but once its down there its gotta stay parked.
The best way I can describe the Range Rover is a Grand Cherokee on steroids. Clearly they aimed at the RR when they designed the GC.
Personally speaking, I like somewhat of a firmer ride for an SUV. I like to be able to work when needed or called upon.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 02-09-18 at 09:14 PM.