Thoughts on the 2018 Camry XSE V6
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The Accord was just as quick in the quarter mile too. The Accord only has 252hp, Camry has about 50hp on it from a similar weight, same layout. Either the Accord turbo is very impressive and under rated or the Camry 6 cylinder is rather unimpressive and poorly geared for performance. I was happy the Camry kept the 6 cylinder, thought it would at least be quicker then the 4cyl Accord down 50hp.
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Wouldn't that depend on which gear you are in, and at what RPM where the peak-torque was found? Some engines have peak torque at fairly low RPMs...on others, it's may be near 5000. As you noted, the flatness of the torque curve itself also makes a difference.
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Torque which is what gets you off the line: Accord 273 lb-ft at 1,500 rpm (immediately available), Camry V6 267 lb-ft at 4,700 rpm
Transmissions and Gearing: Accord 2.0T 10 Speed Auto, Camry V6 8 speed auto
Weight: Accord 2.0T Touring 3,428 pounds Camry XSE V6 3,480 pounds
Transmissions and Gearing: Accord 2.0T 10 Speed Auto, Camry V6 8 speed auto
Weight: Accord 2.0T Touring 3,428 pounds Camry XSE V6 3,480 pounds
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Just another slow Toyota/Lexus car that over promises and under delivers.
It’s funny seeing the Camry commercials with fire breathing out of the cylinders and people getting pushed back into their seats like it’s supposed to be some fast, sporty car.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: all of the new dynamic force engines will be grandpa slow, built for fuel efficiency and nothing else. The ironic thing is that a lot of the competitors can achieve parity in fuel efficiency yet still move like it has a pulse, unlike these cars...
It’s funny seeing the Camry commercials with fire breathing out of the cylinders and people getting pushed back into their seats like it’s supposed to be some fast, sporty car.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: all of the new dynamic force engines will be grandpa slow, built for fuel efficiency and nothing else. The ironic thing is that a lot of the competitors can achieve parity in fuel efficiency yet still move like it has a pulse, unlike these cars...
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This is the exact vehicle my wife and I cross shopped before we bought the GS. At the end of the day, you don't get enough and you still paid 40k for a camry.
Biggest things lacking for us in all the packages our dealer was willing to provide us:
- memory seats
- power passenger seat
- overall comfort
- overall fit and finish
When we told them that this is what we found lacking, they immediately shifted our focus to an Avalon where we would get all of these things at the same price point as the fully optioned V6 camry. I had to say no because I'm only 31 and can't drive an avalon at this age, considering my dad is 64 and has not one, but TWO avalons.
So we went to lexus and for 7k less than the camry and avalon I got a used F-Sport that has everything I want and more.
In the end, the camry is just not on the same level with the GS especially considering with all the incentives now you can probably get a new GS for less than 12k more than that particular camry.
Biggest things lacking for us in all the packages our dealer was willing to provide us:
- memory seats
- power passenger seat
- overall comfort
- overall fit and finish
When we told them that this is what we found lacking, they immediately shifted our focus to an Avalon where we would get all of these things at the same price point as the fully optioned V6 camry. I had to say no because I'm only 31 and can't drive an avalon at this age, considering my dad is 64 and has not one, but TWO avalons.
So we went to lexus and for 7k less than the camry and avalon I got a used F-Sport that has everything I want and more.
In the end, the camry is just not on the same level with the GS especially considering with all the incentives now you can probably get a new GS for less than 12k more than that particular camry.
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This is the best looking Camry to date imo. I have a 17 Camry XLE (Company Car) I missed getting a 18 by a few months but it's a free car either way so no complaints. I like how aggressive it looks, the 3.5 V6 is no slouch yes it's FWD but it's a solid motor. Other than work car all my cars are old lol, 2000 GS4 and 95 Supra. I recently rented a 17/18 Corolla SE and was surprised by the amount of Tech it had radar cruise, lane departure, auto high beams etc...I'm a fan of the Accord too even though I like the 17 more than the 18 not a fan of the new Hatch style Accord but solid car.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Not a fan of used. Just figure a new platform with a new tech out weighs the GS.
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And all these pointless discussions about torque this and torque that - nobody cares about engine torque. The only torque that matters happens at the wheel. That's why we have gearing. I couldn't care less about engine torque as long as I can get to peak power as quickly as possible. No, torque does not get you to peak power, gearing does. Average power and the ability to stay near the peak means everything. See attachment, and prepare to have all your torque myths destroyed.
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I have a 2016 GS F in the garage. I rented a new (2018) Camry twice in the last 2 months. Camry is just Camry and no amount of "new tech" displaces a proper RWD platform that doesn't fight your hands for control when you step on the gas. I would take the used GS over the Camry based on direct experience any day.
Well, I certainly respect your view....and, from a purely high-performance factor, no, of course, a brand-new Camry is not going to compete with a GS-F....you're talking about a car that, in full-F version (not just the F-Sport) costs well over twice what the average Camry does brand-new. But, again, it gets back to one's priorities...and preferences. People like me and Jill, while, in general, not opposed to high-performance vehicles by any means, see little need to own one for daily driving. That's just not our forte....and, in my area, the sheer amount of stop-and-go driving alone generally precludes real high-performance driving. For us, and for many others like us, a brand-new Camry, with a full-warranty, no wear and tear on it, that nice new-car smell, maximum reliability, and the (likely) lower insurance-rate of a Camry vs. a GS-F would probably make far more day-to-day sense.
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And all these pointless discussions about torque this and torque that - nobody cares about engine torque. The only torque that matters happens at the wheel. That's why we have gearing. I couldn't care less about engine torque as long as I can get to peak power as quickly as possible. No, torque does not get you to peak power, gearing does. Average power and the ability to stay near the peak means everything. See attachment, and prepare to have all your torque myths destroyed.
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That's exactly what I did. Bought a 3 year old 1 owner lease return with 26k miles. Loving it way more than I think I would a 2018 Camry given the price point.
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