2018 Kia Stinger
01-04-18, 05:24 PM
#166
Lexus Fanatic
New Buick Regal comes to mind for sure
01-04-18, 05:27 PM
#167
Lexus Fanatic
Gotta disagree, at least somewhat, on that one, Hoovey. The Maxima, IMO, can be considered a mild-core sport sedan, though, I'll admit, not quite to the same extent as the Stinger. Not so with the Avalon and Lacrosse...especially with the Lacrosse's standard 18" wheels. They are not designed for aggressive driving, but relatively easy, relaxed cruising, though both will corner decently well for that type of sedan. The Touring version of the Avalon, of course, has a slightly firmer suspension.
Last edited by mmarshall; 01-04-18 at 05:37 PM.
01-04-18, 05:34 PM
#168
Lexus Fanatic
Yes, Thanks, I thought I had added the Regal GS...apparantly not. I'll do that now.
The Regal, though, being FWD/AWD would probably compete a little closer to the Ford Fusion Sport and Taurus SHO than to the Stinger itself. But, yes, you have a point.
The non-GS versions of the Regal, though, are tilted a little more to the side of the family-sedan than to classic sport-sedan like the GS.
BTW.....on a sightly different note, what does this mean in your signature?
You talking about cable TV? Fiber-optic phone lines? Wireless Internet? Cell phone? 
The Regal, though, being FWD/AWD would probably compete a little closer to the Ford Fusion Sport and Taurus SHO than to the Stinger itself. But, yes, you have a point.The non-GS versions of the Regal, though, are tilted a little more to the side of the family-sedan than to classic sport-sedan like the GS.
BTW.....on a sightly different note, what does this mean in your signature?
Cut the cord and cable free since 2008
Last edited by mmarshall; 01-04-18 at 05:40 PM.
01-04-18, 05:39 PM
#169
01-04-18, 05:47 PM
#171
Lexus Fanatic
Yes, Thanks, I thought I had added the Regal GS...apparantly not. I'll do that now. The Regal, though, being FWD/AWD would probably compete a little closer to the Ford Fusion Sport and Taurus SHO than to the Stinger itself. But, yes, you have a point.
The non-GS versions of the Regal, though, are tilted a little more to the side of the family-sedan than to classic sport-sedan like the GS.
BTW.....on a sightly different note, what does this mean in your signature?
You talking about cable TV? Fiber-optic phone lines? Wireless Internet? Cell phone?
The Regal, though, being FWD/AWD would probably compete a little closer to the Ford Fusion Sport and Taurus SHO than to the Stinger itself. But, yes, you have a point.The non-GS versions of the Regal, though, are tilted a little more to the side of the family-sedan than to classic sport-sedan like the GS.
BTW.....on a sightly different note, what does this mean in your signature?
You talking about cable TV? Fiber-optic phone lines? Wireless Internet? Cell phone?
Yes no cable subscription for me.
01-04-18, 06:12 PM
#172
Gotta disagree, at least somewhat, on that one, Hoovey. The Maxima, IMO, can be considered a mild-core sport sedan, though, I'll admit, not quite to the same extent as the Stinger. Not so with the Avalon and Lacrosse...especially with the Lacrosse's standard 18" wheels. They are not designed for aggressive driving, but relatively easy, relaxed cruising, though both will corner decently well for that type of sedan. The Touring version of the Avalon, of course, has a slightly firmer suspension.
The Stinger btw is 190.2 in length. The Charger, Taurus, and SS are 200 in, 202 in, and 195 in in total length respectively. So even those are 'literally' a stretch to say they compete.
Maybe start titling it [Marshalls Closest Competitors]
CLOSEST AMERICAN-MARKET COMPETITORS: BMW 3-series, Audi A4/S4, Infiniti Q50, Lexus IS300/350, Dodge Charger, Nissan Maxima, Mercedes C300/350, Ford Fusion Sport, Ford Taurus SHO, Chevrolet SS, Volvo S60, Buick Regal GS.
Last edited by Hoovey689; 01-04-18 at 06:15 PM.
01-04-18, 06:14 PM
#173
Lexus Fanatic
"In your opinion" doesn't make it 'Closest American Market Competitor'. The Stinger is sporty and premium. The Maxima has sporty intentions, but it's FWD with lots of torque steer. Wouldn't hold a candle to the Stinger.
The Stinger btw is 190.2 in length. The Charger, Taurus, and SS are 200 in, 202 in, and 195 in in total length respectively. So even those are 'literally' a stretch to say they compete.
You're forgetting the XE S, Giulia, A5 Sportback, 4-Series Gran Coupe, VW CC.
The Stinger btw is 190.2 in length. The Charger, Taurus, and SS are 200 in, 202 in, and 195 in in total length respectively. So even those are 'literally' a stretch to say they compete.
You're forgetting the XE S, Giulia, A5 Sportback, 4-Series Gran Coupe, VW CC.
01-04-18, 06:21 PM
#174
Lexus Fanatic
"In your opinion" doesn't make it 'Closest American Market Competitor'. The Stinger is sporty and premium. The Maxima has sporty intentions, but it's FWD with lots of torque steer. Wouldn't hold a candle to the Stinger.
The Stinger btw is 190.2 in length. The Charger, Taurus, and SS are 200 in, 202 in, and 195 in in total length respectively. So even those are 'literally' a stretch to say they compete.
Maybe start titling it [Marshalls Closest Competitors]
You're forgetting the XE S, Giulia, A5 Sportback, 4-Series Gran Coupe, VW CC.
The Stinger btw is 190.2 in length. The Charger, Taurus, and SS are 200 in, 202 in, and 195 in in total length respectively. So even those are 'literally' a stretch to say they compete.
Maybe start titling it [Marshalls Closest Competitors]
You're forgetting the XE S, Giulia, A5 Sportback, 4-Series Gran Coupe, VW CC.
I really do not believe the Stonger competes with all those models. RWD or not RWD. Loaded Camry, Chargers, Loaded Honda Accords all compete with the lower trim and mid trim Stinger. Stinger is a difficult car to compare as the brand is a one off in the price point it is going after.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 01-04-18 at 06:24 PM.
01-04-18, 06:36 PM
#176
Lexus Fanatic
I see what you mean. The Genesis version competes properly with Lexus MB and BMW.
01-04-18, 06:45 PM
#177
Lexus Champion
The Stinger is unique compared to the others. It's a RWD biased car and it's a hatchback. In real world driving the AWD is a valuable trait and that's what should make a difference for prospective buyers. It's nice to talk about Miatas or for that matter any pure sports car having RWD.
The problem with that is you're talking about two door sports cars on a short wheelbase with far less curb weight. Of course those cars going to be more balanced and have a direct communicative steering feel. That's why they're called sports cars and the Kia is called a GT or hatchback. In the real world, nobody is doing all out rally driving and tail out drifts. It's not a proper argument.
What happens when you lengthen the wheelbase and add weight on a vehicle? Is RWD the better drive train then? Not really. You are now talking about weight, momentum and physics. It's the reason Lexus offered AWD on the last generation LS and why it's offered on the 5LS. You need it for everyday driveability. The Stinger is longer than some of its competitors from Germany and it needs that extra interior room for practicality and that's why AWD is better for this car.
The problem with that is you're talking about two door sports cars on a short wheelbase with far less curb weight. Of course those cars going to be more balanced and have a direct communicative steering feel. That's why they're called sports cars and the Kia is called a GT or hatchback. In the real world, nobody is doing all out rally driving and tail out drifts. It's not a proper argument.
What happens when you lengthen the wheelbase and add weight on a vehicle? Is RWD the better drive train then? Not really. You are now talking about weight, momentum and physics. It's the reason Lexus offered AWD on the last generation LS and why it's offered on the 5LS. You need it for everyday driveability. The Stinger is longer than some of its competitors from Germany and it needs that extra interior room for practicality and that's why AWD is better for this car.
01-04-18, 08:20 PM
#178
Lexus Fanatic
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01-04-18, 10:39 PM
#179
Pit Crew
The Stinger is unique compared to the others. It's a RWD biased car and it's a hatchback. In real world driving the AWD is a valuable trait and that's what should make a difference for prospective buyers. It's nice to talk about Miatas or for that matter any pure sports car having RWD.
The problem with that is you're talking about two door sports cars on a short wheelbase with far less curb weight. Of course those cars going to be more balanced and have a direct communicative steering feel. That's why they're called sports cars and the Kia is called a GT or hatchback. In the real world, nobody is doing all out rally driving and tail out drifts. It's not a proper argument.
What happens when you lengthen the wheelbase and add weight on a vehicle? Is RWD the better drive train then? Not really. You are now talking about weight, momentum and physics. It's the reason Lexus offered AWD on the last generation LS and why it's offered on the 5LS. You need it for everyday driveability. The Stinger is longer than some of its competitors from Germany and it needs that extra interior room for practicality and that's why AWD is better for this car.
The problem with that is you're talking about two door sports cars on a short wheelbase with far less curb weight. Of course those cars going to be more balanced and have a direct communicative steering feel. That's why they're called sports cars and the Kia is called a GT or hatchback. In the real world, nobody is doing all out rally driving and tail out drifts. It's not a proper argument.
What happens when you lengthen the wheelbase and add weight on a vehicle? Is RWD the better drive train then? Not really. You are now talking about weight, momentum and physics. It's the reason Lexus offered AWD on the last generation LS and why it's offered on the 5LS. You need it for everyday driveability. The Stinger is longer than some of its competitors from Germany and it needs that extra interior room for practicality and that's why AWD is better for this car.
Oh well, I better go back to the drawing board and redefine that mid-engined 50-50 weight distribution thing!
01-05-18, 07:10 AM
#180
Lexus Fanatic
But, I also have mine....and IMO, the Maxima is probably the closest rival, in the American market, to the Stinger, that Nissan offers.But, of course, I haven't done a formal Stinger test-drive yet. If I find anything on the test-drive that would make me change my mind, I will certainly do so.