jadu

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good to know! it's interesting that they would do that, and yes i could see why they would think it would have a significant impact and hopefully it does. it is unique being a relatively low priced 4-door RWD hatchback. the only other cars i can think of in that configuration are the tesla model s, bmw 4 door hatch, and panamera which are higher priced

bitkahuna

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because it's impressive and surprising, good looking, and great value?

RA051724

ok, the front half is. The back half is like an afterthought IMO. Maybe version two will blow me away.

bitkahuna

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i think the rear is similar to a7, not surprisingly given the audi guy that went to kia. and i think the stinger looks better.

mmarshall

That's another quirk of the Genesis system of marketing. A Genesis franchise at a Hyundai shop only allows the place to sell and service the G80 (and, presumably, the upcoming G70). Only select Genesis shops are allowed to handle the G90.

It was the same way with Hyundai and Kia franchises...only certain ones were allowed to sell or service the Hyundai Equus or Kia K900. Why?...beats me, unless factors like the quality and training-level of technicians, customer-friendly facilities, availability of loaners, etc.... like that are taken into consideration.

LexBob2

I wouldn't be surprised if Hyundai/Genesis also looks at the demographics of the area in terms of income and competitive luxury brand dealerships nearby. I can see how some dealers who aren't getting a stand alone Genesis store are upset, but I think Hyundai is doing the right thing in not placing Genesis stores in areas that might not support the brand.

MattyG

I like the A7's back end styling better. Much more tauter styling. Kia looks nice too, but sort has that "big butt" look because of the hatchback/raised trunk look. Version 2.0 of the Kia is going to really give the Audi boys some fits, I'm sure.

Mike728

I saw my first Stinger commercial on TV today.

webra

corradoMR2

Unfortunately, you couldn't have said it better and precisely reflects my sentiment and resulting action on the purchase of the Stinger.

bitkahuna

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pman6

like the k900, the stinger will probably sell in very low numbers.

mmarshall

Here......this explains it in solid numbers.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...te-dealerships

Also, you can check it out for yourself on the Genesis Dealer Locator....you'll notice that there are two types....one for G80 only, and the other for both G80 and G90. Your local shop is (apparently) one that handles both of them.

https://www.genesis.com/us/en/genesi...-location.html


Here, in the D.C. area, for whatever reason, all but one of the Hyundai/Genesis shops in Virginia suburbs where I live handle both the G80 and G90.....the ones across the river in Maryland are G80 only. That's why Steve (SW15LS......I guess now SW17LS) had to drive down to the big new Chantilly VA dealership (and that place is BIG) when he was checking out the G90.

As time goes on, of course, and the brand expands, more and more shops will probably get authorization to handle all of the brand's products...I suspect that will be the case, especially, with the GV80 SUV and the demand it will likely bring. The local Fairfax, VA shop, for example, just a few miles from my place, started out as a smaller, only-G80 franchise...now it handles both.

pbm317

You're mixing some old processes/numbers and not taking into account the changes. Yes, all Hyundai dealers, to date, were grandfathered in to selling the G80, because it was the Hyundai Genesis. Not every Hyundai dealer elected to make the changes required to sell the first Hyundai Equus. Then, as Genesis rolled out, similar Equus requirements were asked for G90 allocations. Again, not every dealer elected to do this.

Going forward, Genesis is splitting to independent shops, all of which will be required to make whatever necessary measures for the full Genesis lineup, including the coming crossovers. It's actually not going to be "more and more shops" they're actively whittling the number of dealers from the 300+ G80/G90 Hyundai shops today to target close to 100 or so. They realize that dealers need significant/substantial volume to reach profitability, and limiting sales points to key areas will allow each dealership to be successful, despite seemingly lower number of accessible touch points. For example, Lexus has ~240 dealers nationwide to sell roughly 300K cars per year. Hyundai/Genesis understands the need to start from the beginning and have happy dealers. Which much lower sales volumes until they can grow, they need much fewer, but dedicated retail outlets.

Johnhav430

If this were the norm, there'd be no difference between a Porsche, BMW, Audi, Honda, Toyota, Kia, etc. Stealing human capital does have a lot of bang for buck, however. We all must remember in B school learning about the colonel's secret recipe, or the recipe for coke. There isn't any one person who can produce it. So stealing one BMW engineer doesn't mean the entire car co. can be replicated.

I see where you're coming from, not even imho do the BMWs of the world innovate today, too expensive