Ford May Kill the Fusion in the US
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Not a technicality! The Continental is not on the Taurus platform although the MKS was. The Taurus platform started as a Volvo (S80 I believe) back when Ford owned Volvo. It was originally called the Five Hundred. Alan Mullaly had the name changed to Taurus when he took over. The Fusion is the European Mondeo platform which is much more space efficient and has better driving dynamics. The Continental is on a stretch version of the Fusion/Mondeo platform. There is a new Taurus in China that is on this new platform but it probably won't come here.
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The 2017 Lincoln Continental is a four-door sedan based on an extended-wheelbase version of the Ford CD4 platform shared with the seventh-generation Ford Taurus and Lincoln MKZ.
The 2017 Lincoln Continental is a four-door sedan based on an extended-wheelbase version of the Ford CD4 platform shared with the seventh-generation Ford Taurus and Lincoln MKZ.
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Mike,
Your Wikipedia quote actually agrees with my point. The CD4 platform is the Fusion platform and also is used in the MKZ. The "7th gen." Taurus is, new China only car.
Steve
The tenth generation Continental is derived from the front-wheel drive Ford CD4 platform. Along with the seventh-generation Ford Taurus (currently sold only in China) and Lincoln MKZ, the Continental shares its chassis underpinnings with the Ford Fusion (Mondeo) but rides on a 5.7 in (145 mm) longer wheelbase. All-wheel drive is available as an option.
Your Wikipedia quote actually agrees with my point. The CD4 platform is the Fusion platform and also is used in the MKZ. The "7th gen." Taurus is, new China only car.
Steve
The tenth generation Continental is derived from the front-wheel drive Ford CD4 platform. Along with the seventh-generation Ford Taurus (currently sold only in China) and Lincoln MKZ, the Continental shares its chassis underpinnings with the Ford Fusion (Mondeo) but rides on a 5.7 in (145 mm) longer wheelbase. All-wheel drive is available as an option.
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Mike,
Your Wikipedia quote actually agrees with my point. The CD4 platform is the Fusion platform and also is used in the MKZ. The "7th gen." Taurus is, new China only car.
Steve
The tenth generation Continental is derived from the front-wheel drive Ford CD4 platform. Along with the seventh-generation Ford Taurus (currently sold only in China) and Lincoln MKZ, the Continental shares its chassis underpinnings with the Ford Fusion (Mondeo) but rides on a 5.7 in (145 mm) longer wheelbase. All-wheel drive is available as an option.
Your Wikipedia quote actually agrees with my point. The CD4 platform is the Fusion platform and also is used in the MKZ. The "7th gen." Taurus is, new China only car.
Steve
The tenth generation Continental is derived from the front-wheel drive Ford CD4 platform. Along with the seventh-generation Ford Taurus (currently sold only in China) and Lincoln MKZ, the Continental shares its chassis underpinnings with the Ford Fusion (Mondeo) but rides on a 5.7 in (145 mm) longer wheelbase. All-wheel drive is available as an option.
Oldcajun is correct and you are wrong. The current USA Fusion and current USA Taurus are not off the same platform.
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I figured the Taurus would go, it sells in smaller numbers but they will likely just combine the 2 for a new sedan. Taurus does have better name recognition, used to be one of the top selling sedans in the US when it was a mid sizer in the 80's. Still remember those matte black Taurus Robocop police cars.
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Sure do. I remember the car would spark underneath every time it went up the ramp in the police parking garage
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Mike,
Your Wikipedia quote actually agrees with my point. The CD4 platform is the Fusion platform and also is used in the MKZ. The "7th gen." Taurus is, new China only car.
Steve
The tenth generation Continental is derived from the front-wheel drive Ford CD4 platform. Along with the seventh-generation Ford Taurus (currently sold only in China) and Lincoln MKZ, the Continental shares its chassis underpinnings with the Ford Fusion (Mondeo) but rides on a 5.7 in (145 mm) longer wheelbase. All-wheel drive is available as an option.
Your Wikipedia quote actually agrees with my point. The CD4 platform is the Fusion platform and also is used in the MKZ. The "7th gen." Taurus is, new China only car.
Steve
The tenth generation Continental is derived from the front-wheel drive Ford CD4 platform. Along with the seventh-generation Ford Taurus (currently sold only in China) and Lincoln MKZ, the Continental shares its chassis underpinnings with the Ford Fusion (Mondeo) but rides on a 5.7 in (145 mm) longer wheelbase. All-wheel drive is available as an option.
OK...no sense arguing about it all afternoon. Apparently a misunderstanding on both our parts. I should have made clear whether we were talking about the American or Chinese Taurus. Anyhow, the American-market Taurus will probably soon be discontinued from low sales...so, right now, it is probably becoming a moot point.
And, back to the Fusion...I, for one, will be sorry to see it go. Not only do I think the Fusion itself is an excellent sedan, but it also gave us the latest-generation Lincoln MKZ....which I seriously considered when I bought my Lacrosse. I consider the MKZ and Lacrosse to be the two American Lexus ES350s.
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While the automotive press is no different in some respects than other MSM these days, jumping on every rumor and every whisper; there is some credibility to this report. Ford CEO James Hackett was asked a question quite directly about the Fusion's future. Ford had announced that the company won't build the Mondeo in Valencia, Spain and the Fusion in Hermosillo, Mexico.
An auto press writer asked Hackett if there was a need for the Fusion in Ford's future, he answered "I'm giving you a hint". This came after Ford said that it has no plans to import China-built Mondeos/Fusions into Europe and the US.
Now Ford could be lying to its suppliers and the auto media, or it's cagey about what the Fusion's replacement will be. This CEO has signalled he wants to cut $14B from Ford's bottom line and simplify operations and cut down model offerings etc.
An auto press writer asked Hackett if there was a need for the Fusion in Ford's future, he answered "I'm giving you a hint". This came after Ford said that it has no plans to import China-built Mondeos/Fusions into Europe and the US.
Now Ford could be lying to its suppliers and the auto media, or it's cagey about what the Fusion's replacement will be. This CEO has signalled he wants to cut $14B from Ford's bottom line and simplify operations and cut down model offerings etc.
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While the automotive press is no different in some respects than other MSM these days, jumping on every rumor and every whisper; there is some credibility to this report. Ford CEO James Hackett was asked a question quite directly about the Fusion's future. Ford had announced that the company won't build the Mondeo in Valencia, Spain and the Fusion in Hermosillo, Mexico.
An auto press writer asked Hackett if there was a need for the Fusion in Ford's future, he answered "I'm giving you a hint". This came after Ford said that it has no plans to import China-built Mondeos/Fusions into Europe and the US.
Now Ford could be lying to its suppliers and the auto media, or it's cagey about what the Fusion's replacement will be. This CEO has signalled he wants to cut $14B from Ford's bottom line and simplify operations and cut down model offerings etc.
An auto press writer asked Hackett if there was a need for the Fusion in Ford's future, he answered "I'm giving you a hint". This came after Ford said that it has no plans to import China-built Mondeos/Fusions into Europe and the US.
Now Ford could be lying to its suppliers and the auto media, or it's cagey about what the Fusion's replacement will be. This CEO has signalled he wants to cut $14B from Ford's bottom line and simplify operations and cut down model offerings etc.
Classic double-talk from auto executives.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the Fusion is killed that Ford would move the Focus upmarket a bit to fill the slot. Honda's upgrade of the Civic, for example, has the Civic outselling the Accord and being viewed as a viable family car not just a compact.
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Repeat of history: The introduction of the large Ford Five Hundred (subsequently renamed Taurus) opened up space below it for a new mid-size model, which saw the introduction of the Ford Fusion. Now the slot-filler is going to be killed off?
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IMO, the rather unimpressive Focus would have to move considerably upmarket to be as nice a car as the Fusion. Kind of like a 6th-grade basketball player trying to fill the shoes of Le Bron James.
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Bottom line, it's lack of design talent and poor company decisions. Not that the Fusion is bad, but as I stated earlier, it's lingered on too long without an update. The competition has moved forward, Ford has not. This whole thing is similar to what Chyrsler has done with their compact and mid-sized sedans. These companies will lie and BS us all with their excuses and reasons as to why they want to drop cars, but the real truth is incompetence.
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Again this is typical BS from Ford and being lazy, cheap etc.
The new Fusion would share its platform/engines etc with a CUV anyway so its not like they need to develop some unique platform for it.
Midsize segment is HUGE not only in US but globally.
Unless they have some pure EV car hiding somewhere this makes no sense.
The new Fusion would share its platform/engines etc with a CUV anyway so its not like they need to develop some unique platform for it.
Midsize segment is HUGE not only in US but globally.
Unless they have some pure EV car hiding somewhere this makes no sense.
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That logic only works until one looks at how successful and well the Accord sells. There's a huge need and roll the Accord fills, and the numbers prove it. There's no reason why Ford can't do the same with the Fusion.
Bottom line, it's lack of design talent and poor company decisions. Not that the Fusion is bad, but as I stated earlier, it's lingered on too long without an update. The competition has moved forward, Ford has not. This whole thing is similar to what Chyrsler has done with their compact and mid-sized sedans. These companies will lie and BS us all with their excuses and reasons as to why they want to drop cars, but the real truth is incompetence.
Bottom line, it's lack of design talent and poor company decisions. Not that the Fusion is bad, but as I stated earlier, it's lingered on too long without an update. The competition has moved forward, Ford has not. This whole thing is similar to what Chyrsler has done with their compact and mid-sized sedans. These companies will lie and BS us all with their excuses and reasons as to why they want to drop cars, but the real truth is incompetence.