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Old 05-30-18, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JDR76
I don't think that's much of an increase from the current RDX. I bet most will come in around $45k. My local Acura dealer has numerous current RDXs at $42k, one at $45k, and two at $48k. The RDX sells pretty well for Acura so I don't think the new one will suffer. That's not a bad price increased for what appears to be a better vehicle.
There isn't actually a price increase from the current RDX. The last generation RDX with AcuraWatch cost the same as the 2019 Acura RDX base price (AcuraWatch is standard now). All they did was add AcuraWatch as standard and use that as the price increase - so technically there was no price increase.

I believe its $45K with SH-AWD A-Spec and close to 50K, at around 48-49K for the Advance Package model. I think in the beginning the Acura RDX will struggle because it won't have much incentives but will pick up over time.

I'll agree the Acura RDX Advance package is a better vehicle because it'll be stacked with options. But the A-Spec RDX and NX F-Sport are pretty comparable in terms of price and features.
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I am a huge Lexus fan. The NX just moved down a position. Alex agrees the RDX is the winner over the NX. Can not believe they chose to make the panoramic roof and HUD only available overseas and Canada and no Apple car Play or Android Auto. The only slightly negative comments were the dynamic control button and slight limited rear headroom.

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WHISTLER, B.C. — Things have come full circle for the Acura RDX. The compact crossover launched in 2007 with an all-new turbocharged four-cylinder engine and an all-wheel-drive system that was sophisticated enough for the brand to affix the Super Handling designation to it. It was a fun, sporty vehicle in a sea of boring competitors, and we liked it enough to write a eulogy of sorts when the second-generation RDX ditched the fun turbo engine in favor of a V6, and dumbed down its optional all-wheel system so much that they dropped the Super Handling name.

Acura's mainstreaming of the RDX for its second generation turned out to be a smart play. Sales jumped 94 percent in 2012, the first year that the redesigned RDX went on sale, leapt another 50 percent the following year, and have stayed over the 50,000 mark for the past three years. It may sound surprising, then, that Acura is flipping the playbook back a few pages by swapping its V6 engine back to a turbo four and reinstalling Super Handling All-Wheel Drive.

We think it's a smart move. The 2019 RDX is both sportier and more upscale than the model it replaces. It does more than just check boxes. It's interesting, boasts some cool technology, and offers a strong value proposition.

The 2019 RDX's all-new 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine delivers 272 horsepower and 280 pound-feet of torque. That's down a negligible seven ponies from the old 3.5-liter V6, but up 28 lb-ft, and it's tuned to provide the bulk of that torque in the heart of its powerband — peak torque plateaus between 1,600 and 4,500 rpm. An equally all-new 10-speed automatic transmission sends that power to either the front wheels, or, as was the case with the vehicles we tested, all four wheels.

Jumping into a 2019 RDX for the first time, our main powertrain concern was that the 10-speed automatic would generate a ton of unnecessary, and distracting, shifts. This proved to be an unfounded fear. The gearbox does shift quite often under hard acceleration, but does so quickly and without any undue jerkiness. The sheer number of gearing options — the old six-speed auto had a 68 percent narrower spread of ratios — and the torque-rich engine combined to provide excellent straight-line acceleration in any real-world driving scenario we could conjure. The rest of the time we didn't really think about the transmission at all. We did, however, lament the push-button transmission interface. It's not as intuitive as a traditional shifter, and doesn't really save that much space.

While it's true that a large percentage of the American population simply doesn't need all-wheel drive, those who do choose Acura's latest SH-AWD system will see real benefits regardless of the weather or surface of the road. Up to 70 percent of the engine's torque can be delivered to the rear axle of the 2019 RDX, and can then be spread in any percentage from side-to-side. In practical terms, the RDX has excellent traction on slippery surfaces, and its torque vectoring technology helps it handle more crisply when the driver is feeling especially frisky.

That powertrain is housed in an equally new chassis that's unique to the RDX. Despite boasting a longer wheelbase (+2.6 in.) and wider track (+1.1 inch at the front and 1.3 inch at the rear), the 2019 model's platform weighs 20 pounds less than before, and it's significantly stiffer. Base, Tech, and A-Spec RDX models come with Amplitude Reactive Dampers that can shift between a so-called Ride Zone for comfort and a Handling Zone to help keep the car flat under hard cornering. These base, non-electronic dampers end up delivering a well-sorted ride that's just on the firm side of comfortable.

Unlike the fully mechanical base-level suspension setup in lower trim levels, Advance RDX models get an Active Damper System that adjusts the suspension firmness electronically. In just .002 seconds, a whole suite of sensors can alter each individual damper's behavior. This is some pretty cool technology, and that's why we wish it was optional on the A-Spec. Unfortunately, it comes with the Advance trim level only, which means the sportiest-looking RDX can't be combined with the most advanced suspension system.

Acura's Integrated Dynamics System comes standard, and it allows the driver to choose from four drive modes: Comfort, Sport, Sport+ and Snow. Those all have obvious purposes, but the differences between Sport and Sport+ are worth a deeper look. Throttle response, steering boost, the SH-AWD's torque vectoring, and traction control settings are all altered by the IDS, and so are the electronic dampers on Advance models.

We left the IDS in Comfort most of the time, and were rewarded with reasonably good steering feel. In Sport, the variable-ratio steering gets predictably heavier in effort, and it delivers strong feedback to keep track of what the front tires are doing. Sport+ dials up the heft to its maximum level, and if it's an Advance model with the Active Damper System, Sport+ similarly firms up the ride. Options are always appreciated, but we think Comfort is a good baseline, Sport is great for a fun drive down some twisty roads, and Sport+ is trying too hard to make the RDX into something it isn't: a sportscar.

The A-Spec trim we mentioned earlier is new for the RDX in 2019, and it's intended solely as an appearance package. On the outside, pretty much every bit of chrome is replaced with dark trim, and a unique set of 20-inch wheels and 4-inch exhaust tips add a more sinister look to the RDX. But it's the changes inside we like the best. Metal-look gauges that light up red, a perforated leather steering wheel, chromed paddle shifters, Ultrasuede inserts on the seats, and aluminum trim all add up to an interior that feels sporty and premium at the same time. We really like the optional red leather interior, especially when paired with the Apex Blue Pearl paint seen on our test vehicle.

Acura says the 2019 RDX is its first production vehicle to fully display the interior and exterior ethos put forward by the brand's Precision and Precision Cockpit concepts. Full grain leathers, contrast stitching and piping, real brushed aluminum, and genuine Olive Ash wood can all be found inside the new RDX, and they all look and feel like premium materials. There aren't any obvious plasticky bits that the passengers will come into contact with that would feel out of place from a luxury brand.

The 2019 RDX is also the first vehicle to feature Acura's new True Touchpad Interface, which in the RDX controls an infotainment package displayed on a centrally mounted 10.2-inch LCD. Check out our initial thoughts on the touchpad here. In the real world, when sharing unfamiliar windy roads with other motorists, we appreciated the effort Acura put into ensuring that the infotainment tech is as easy to use as possible. There's definitely a learning curve — A and B "zones," split screens, and the lack of haptic feedback mean it isn't immediately intuitive the way that a touchscreen would be — but once accustomed, True Touchpad Interface feels vastly superior to similar systems used by Acura's competitors (Lexus, we're looking at you). Apple CarPlay comes standard, and as soon as Google makes Android Auto workable with a touchpad, Acura promises to add that, too.

Larger exterior dimensions equal greater roominess inside. Head, shoulder, and leg room are sufficient for four adults to sit comfortably in the 2019 RDX, and a fifth could squeeze in the back seat for short stints. There are 31.1 cubic feet behind the second row, and Acura quotes 79.8 maximum cubic feet of storage space with the rear seat folded and including the rear-seat footwell area. A cool underfloor rear cargo management system comes standard, as is a little cubby that's apparently sized to fit several bottles of wine. Sadly, we never found time to test that claim.

The 2019 RDX paints a clear picture of where Acura's styling is headed. A taut grille similar to what we've seen adopted by the TLX, RLX, and MDX catches the eye and is the location from which the rest of the car's sheetmetal seems to flow. A comically large Acura logo is housed front and center in that grille, but that bit of garishness doesn't do much to detract from the attractive lines of the new RDX. Acura's latest Jewel Eye headlights join the Diamond Pentagon Grille (their words, not ours) to make for a distinctive look without completely rewriting the somewhat angular design that Acura owners have come to expect. Parked side-by-side, the 2019 model looks significantly different and fresh when compared to the old.

It's not just the crossover's visual rebirth that makes it massively important for Acura. Remember, the brand had a very successful run until roughly 2009, and could try to claw back some buyers with more mainstream vehicles. But it's not doing that. Instead, the 2019 RDX feels more like a return to what used to make the Acura brand relevant in the first place: vehicles that feel exciting and upscale, based on a perception of innovation and real, palpable technology.

And it doesn't come with a big cost increase, either. The 2019 RDX's base price of $38,295 easily undercuts the Audi Q5, BMW X3, and Mercedes-Benz GLC 300. Better still, the value proposition of a loaded RDX Advance for less than $50,000 is underscored by the fact that the Germans with comparable powertrain options can all crest $60,000 if you're not careful. Of course, it's also fair to note that those same Germans all boast optional up-level engine options that Acura has yet to counter.

The restoration of the turbocharged four-cylinder engine and Super-Handling All-Wheel Drive is more than just a Pyrrhic victory for enthusiasts, it's a boon to luxury crossover consumers for a few reasons. One, it's the first in what we hope are a long string of proof points that Acura may be back on course to deliver unique vehicles that aren't just slightly more luxurious Honda models. Secondly, the guts of the RDX — its powertrain, chassis, styling, and price — are right where they need to be. Lastly, the fact that our biggest gripe with the RDX is about what options can be had with what trim level says a lot about how good it is, overall. Welcome back, Acura.
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alex loves it.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
alex loves it.
who cares if alex loves it. the question is does p/bit love it?
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Originally Posted by Freds430
I am a huge Lexus fan. The NX just moved down a position. Alex agrees the RDX is the winner over the NX. Can not believe they chose to make the panoramic roof and HUD only available overseas and Canada and no Apple car Play or Android Auto. The only slightly negative comments were the dynamic control button and slight limited rear headroom.

https://youtu.be/p4WdQSqU6r0
I like Alex as a reviewer so I take everything he says to heart. Hes also very informative as well.

That being said - there needs to be some clarification. Yes - the Acura RDX Advance Package (which cost close to 50K) has more features than the Lexus NX. <--- Which is not surprising given the price. However - the Acura RDX A-Spec and the NX F-Sport are very comparable. They both have features that is unique to themselves and priced at the same range with "sport-design packages."

I personally think the Acura RDX A-Spec is the best looking RDX while the advance pack RDX just looks ugly with all that chrome - especially that lower chrome door strip.

So I believe you can't 100% say the RDX is better than the NX. You have to compare it to the proper range. The RDX A-Spec and NX F-Sport - I believe the NX will take it. But - the RDX Advance package is just better than the NX because of more features. That and the NX doesn't really have an "Advance package" competitor trim.
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
who cares if alex loves it. the question is does p/bit love it?
ha i think it looks great outside... the inside dash/stack is a bit off, but the sh-awd and other features sound really great... i think it will do well.
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Originally Posted by Freds430
Can not believe they chose to make the panoramic roof and HUD only available overseas and Canada and no Apple car Play or Android Auto.
did alex say that in the review or you saw that somewhere else?

no apple car play or android auto in the u.s.? i thought he said it will have apple car play but not android auto just initially because google's working out the software to work with the new trackpad.

which is funny because apparently acura's new infotainment system is based on android!
https://www.androidheadlines.com/201...-inch-hud.html

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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
did alex say that in the review or you saw that somewhere else?

no apple car play or android auto in the u.s.? i thought he said it will have apple car play but not android auto just initially because google's working out the software to work with the new trackpad.

which is funny because apparently acura's new infotainment system is based on android!
https://www.androidheadlines.com/201...-inch-hud.html
Sorry for confusion meant the NX. We were ready to trade in our 2015 RX450h for the 2018 NX until we found out no panoramic roof or HUD in the United States. What a bonehead decision. Android Auto coming to the RDX within two months.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
did alex say that in the review or you saw that somewhere else?

no apple car play or android auto in the u.s.? i thought he said it will have apple car play but not android auto just initially because google's working out the software to work with the new trackpad.

which is funny because apparently acura's new infotainment system is based on android!
https://www.androidheadlines.com/201...-inch-hud.html
I could be wrong but I think his comment was geared towards the US spec NX vs international spec NX having those features. As he was agreeing with the reviewer on the RDX being better than the NX.
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Originally Posted by Lexus2000
Interior is horrendous one of the worst I've seen. Hurts my eyes just to look at it.
Could not disagree more. Lexus has no Android Auto or Apple Play. Has no HUD or panoramic roof. Never liked the front grill on the Lexus SUVs with that large mouth grill. Do not like Lexus's two tone seats or only black dash that shows every piece of lint. RDX has a much better looking modern shifter, medium gray dash, much better touch pad, real leather, ELS sound system with 16 speakers which four are in the ceiling and real wood accents. Does not have the cheap plastic around each wheel well. The SH AWD is all wheel drive on steroids.
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Originally Posted by BippuLexus
I think I didn't write my post clearly. I wasn't trying to say no one would buy a 50K Acura - its more of paying 50K for an entry-level Acura SUV. The MDX is pretty worth it considering its a steep discount compared to the RX.
The MDX has always cost more then a RX and was seen as a step above it and plenty of people bought the MDX.
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Originally Posted by BippuLexus
So I believe you can't 100% say the RDX is better than the NX. You have to compare it to the proper range. The RDX A-Spec and NX F-Sport - I believe the NX will take it. But - the RDX Advance package is just better than the NX because of more features. That and the NX doesn't really have an "Advance package" competitor trim.
I'm not sure what you mean by "take it". Based on early reports, compared to the NX, the RDX is faster, roomier, and rides better regardless of package. The A Spec package on the RDX is only appearance with special paint and interior colors, trim bits, and wheels. It does nothing for performance. NX has nothing that compares to the SH-AWD. Alex's estimate of around 5.6 sec time 0-60 at sea level means that the Acura 2 liter turbo puts out a lot more power than the same size Lexus engine.

Looks to me like a clear kill for the RDX.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "take it". Based on early reports, compared to the NX, the RDX is faster, roomier, and rides better regardless of package. The A Spec package on the RDX is only appearance with special paint and interior colors, trim bits, and wheels. It does nothing for performance. NX has nothing that compares to the SH-AWD. Alex's estimate of around 5.6 sec time 0-60 at sea level means that the Acura 2 liter turbo puts out a lot more power than the same size Lexus engine.

Looks to me like a clear kill for the RDX.
I completely agree. The only metric one could make an argument where the NX is better than the new RDX is purely based on a subjective trait (i.e. exterior/interior design layout). Everything else, of significant importance, has proven to be better with the RDX on all fronts: handling, horsepower/torque, 10-speed transmission, interior material qualities, technology/features, superior sound system, an advanced AWD layout where only an Audi quattro system could even begin to compete in this price range, and the list goes on. This is to be expected though, the NX bowed in 2015, it's not as "new" even though it just had its mid-refresh. With as good as the upcoming new RAV4 looks, I'm sure the 2nd gen NX will come out swinging. At the end of the day everyone is trying to one-up each other, that's the great thing about competition, the buyer always wins.

My mom just recently purchased a near fully loaded 2018 NX 300 F-Sport and the sticker price was $49,800'ish and it did not even come with the Adaptive Variable Suspension like it does with the Advanced trim RDX that stickers for $48,xxx. The NX is a great little car and my mom loves it. I personally hold Lexus to a higher standard than Acura but I'm not going to let that blind me from seeing that Acura knocked it out of the park with this redesign. A lot was at stake here and Acura needed this redesign to show they are still relevant in the playing field.

Acura obviously set out to develop a home run with the all new RDX and they 100% delivered. I can't wait to see what the redesigns for the MDX and TLX will be in the next year or so.
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Originally Posted by Freds430
Could not disagree more. Lexus has no Android Auto or Apple Play. Has no HUD or panoramic roof. Never liked the front grill on the Lexus SUVs with that large mouth grill. Do not like Lexus's two tone seats or only black dash that shows every piece of lint. RDX has a much better looking modern shifter, medium gray dash, much better touch pad, real leather, ELS sound system with 16 speakers which four are in the ceiling and real wood accents. Does not have the cheap plastic around each wheel well. The SH AWD is all wheel drive on steroids.
1) I personally would not use Apple/Android Car play as an indication of what car is "better". BMW make you buy Apple/Android car play - so my friend's M2 would be consider bad because he didn't option for Apple/Android car play? Apple/Android car play is pretty much redundant/useless/whatever you want to call it in this price range. I'll agree Apple/Android car play is good if you buy the RDX w/o navigation.
Secondly - The Lexus NX will get Apple Car play later this year. It runs Enform 2.0 so it will have it. If it really matters... So you can't say the NX doesn't have it. By the time the RDX goes on sale, RDX and NX will both have Apple car play.
2) Yes - no HUD and panoramic roof is bad of the NX. Side note: HUD is only on the Advance pack of the RDX. The only RDX worth buying, in my opinion, is the A-Spec. The Advance pack RDX is too ugly - like the TLX Advance.
3) No comment on Lexus Grill, seats, and etc... That's your personal taste. I personally think the Acura RDX is ugly as hell without the A-Spec pack on it. The side strip of chrome on the doors is stupid.
4) The RDX shifter is much more modern. +1 But I also think its a stupid design.
5) Much better touch pad - subjective. Have you tried it yet? How you know its better? The 2018 NX touchpad seems to be better than before.
6) The Lexus NX has real leather. It can be optioned with real leather.
7) ELS 16 speaker and real wood is only Advance package.
8) SH-AWD is good.

This is what I was saying before - the Acura RDX Advance package is better but the Acura RDX A-Spec, which is the more comparable version to the NX F-Sport, is debatable.
If you match up the feature listings: The Lexus NX F-Sport and Acura RDX A-Spec both have similar features and some features unique to themselves. Then if you start getting into it, the Lexus NX F-Sport has a bit more features on it that the RDX can only get on the Advance pack.

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The MDX has always cost more then a RX and was seen as a step above it and plenty of people bought the MDX.
What? That's not true. The Acura MDX always cost less than the RX and was never seen as a step above the RX. As it stands - the Lexus AWD RX350 NON F Sport will cost 60K fully loaded (RX450h goes up to 62K) while the Acura MDX with SH-AWD tops off at 58K.

Secondly - from 2013 to 2017 - the Acura MDX averaged about 50K units per year while the Lexus RX averaged about 100K units per year. Sure, quite a bit of people bought the MDX but the RX is actually the car that is a step up.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "take it". Based on early reports, compared to the NX, the RDX is faster, roomier, and rides better regardless of package. The A Spec package on the RDX is only appearance with special paint and interior colors, trim bits, and wheels. It does nothing for performance. NX has nothing that compares to the SH-AWD. Alex's estimate of around 5.6 sec time 0-60 at sea level means that the Acura 2 liter turbo puts out a lot more power than the same size Lexus engine.

Looks to me like a clear kill for the RDX.
I meant the NX300 F-Sport is a better buy than the Acura RDX A-Spec. They are both priced similar but the NX F-Sport has more features. If you literally match all the features, the Lexus NX F-Sport is wedged between the Acura RDX A-Spec and the RDX Advance. Because the NX300 F-Sport has some features only offered on the RDX Advance that the A-Spec can't get. Like hands-free tail-gate, power folding rear seats, LED turn signals (RDX don't have rear LED turn), memory steering wheel (non-power tilt too), sub-free weather/traffic and etc... The NX F-Sport will out feature the RDX A-Spec if you list it all out.

Sure - the RDX is faster and roomier. Not all SUVs will match up in similar size or power. If size and power is important to you, then take that into consideration. In my opinion, despite being smaller and slower, I think the NX F-Sport is a better buy because it has more features (has some RDX Advance pack features), better quality/refinement (Lexus cars are just made better), brand (prestige), better resale value, and its actually an "import" (Made in Japan) while the RDX is made State-side.

True. The SH-AWD is one of the best AWD systems out there and Lexus doesn't offer a AWD system as good. But at the end of the day, Lexus offers a AWD (despite not being as good as the SH-AWD - its still a AWD) and Lexus also offers a Hybrid on the NX while the Acura RDX has no hybrid model.

If we are talking about the RDX Advance, then its obvious its a better car because of the massive amount of features it offers. If anything, if we are judging by features, the RDX Advance is even better than the BMW X3 and MB GLC. The problem here is that: in the luxury market - not everyone cares.

Originally Posted by Noble8626
I completely agree. The only metric one could make an argument where the NX is better than the new RDX is purely based on a subjective trait (i.e. exterior/interior design layout). Everything else, of significant importance, has proven to be better with the RDX on all fronts: handling, horsepower/torque, 10-speed transmission, interior material qualities, technology/features, superior sound system, an advanced AWD layout where only an Audi quattro system could even begin to compete in this price range, and the list goes on. This is to be expected though, the NX bowed in 2015, it's not as "new" even though it just had its mid-refresh. With as good as the upcoming new RAV4 looks, I'm sure the 2nd gen NX will come out swinging. At the end of the day everyone is trying to one-up each other, that's the great thing about competition, the buyer always wins.
I'm specifically talking about the RDX A-Spec. The RDX Advance is hands down better - that's no question. The NX300 F-Sport is better than the RDX A-Spec because Acura restricted tons of features on the RDX A-Spec. The NX300 F-Sport, based on features, wedges right between the A-Spec RDX and Advance Pack RDX.

Actually - the NX refresh kept it pretty new. The 10.3in screen makes the interior looks much more modern than the 7 inch junk that was in it pre-refresh.

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