What are you looking to seeing out of Detroit?
01-09-18, 05:37 PM
#16
[QUOTE=mmarshall;10076050]As to your question, IMO it's a little unclear. Is it what we will actually (or probably) be seeing, or what we would WANT to see that is not offered?/QUOTE]
I meant what you think will be there, but agree with your points—particularly regarding American luxury. Lincoln is missing the boat with the Continental. I honestly think that if they gave the new one suicide doors, and did a retro version styled after the '66, they wouldn't be able to make them fast enough. Not every sedan needs to have sporting pretensions, and there's an opening there, for sure.
I meant what you think will be there, but agree with your points—particularly regarding American luxury. Lincoln is missing the boat with the Continental. I honestly think that if they gave the new one suicide doors, and did a retro version styled after the '66, they wouldn't be able to make them fast enough. Not every sedan needs to have sporting pretensions, and there's an opening there, for sure.
01-09-18, 05:53 PM
#17
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by Johnny Mayday
I meant what you think will be there, but agree with your points—particularly regarding American luxury. Lincoln is missing the boat with the Continental. I honestly think that if they gave the new one suicide doors, and did a retro version styled after the '66, they wouldn't be able to make them fast enough. Not every sedan needs to have sporting pretensions, and there's an opening there, for sure.
...a real beauty, IMO, with the suicide-doors....but, unlike the present Continental, it never went into production. 
01-09-18, 06:13 PM
#18
Lexus Fanatic
[QUOTE=Johnny Mayday;10077176]
As to your question, IMO it's a little unclear. Is it what we will actually (or probably) be seeing, or what we would WANT to see that is not offered?/QUOTE]
I meant what you think will be there, but agree with your points—particularly regarding American luxury. Lincoln is missing the boat with the Continental. I honestly think that if they gave the new one suicide doors, and did a retro version styled after the '66, they wouldn't be able to make them fast enough. Not every sedan needs to have sporting pretensions, and there's an opening there, for sure.
I meant what you think will be there, but agree with your points—particularly regarding American luxury. Lincoln is missing the boat with the Continental. I honestly think that if they gave the new one suicide doors, and did a retro version styled after the '66, they wouldn't be able to make them fast enough. Not every sedan needs to have sporting pretensions, and there's an opening there, for sure.
Suicide doors on a Lincoln would be suicide
01-09-18, 06:27 PM
#19
Lexus Fanatic
01-09-18, 08:29 PM
#20
Lexus Champion
All such implementations of rear suicide doors on modern cars (including the Saturn Ion coupe and Mazda RX-8) do not have suicide doors that can be opened independently -- the front door must be opened first and closed last because the front door latches onto the rear suicide door. If the front door is not opened while the car is moving, the rear suicide door cannot be opened.
01-09-18, 09:03 PM
#21
Lexus Fanatic
I do not presume to know Jill's dislike for suicide doors, but following on Mike's reply, here is my comment...
All such implementations of rear suicide doors on modern cars (including the Saturn Ion coupe and Mazda RX-8) do not have suicide doors that can be opened independently -- the front door must be opened first and closed last because the front door latches onto the rear suicide door. If the front door is not opened while the car is moving, the rear suicide door cannot be opened.
All such implementations of rear suicide doors on modern cars (including the Saturn Ion coupe and Mazda RX-8) do not have suicide doors that can be opened independently -- the front door must be opened first and closed last because the front door latches onto the rear suicide door. If the front door is not opened while the car is moving, the rear suicide door cannot be opened.
It is just a silly idea for Lincoln. I think extended cab trucks have these doors. Never seen them open from the back without the front opening first.
01-09-18, 09:06 PM
#22
Lexus Fanatic
I do not presume to know Jill's dislike for suicide doors, but following on Mike's reply, here is my comment...
All such implementations of rear suicide doors on modern cars (including the Saturn Ion coupe and Mazda RX-8) do not have suicide doors that can be opened independently -- the front door must be opened first and closed last because the front door latches onto the rear suicide door. If the front door is not opened while the car is moving, the rear suicide door cannot be opened.
All such implementations of rear suicide doors on modern cars (including the Saturn Ion coupe and Mazda RX-8) do not have suicide doors that can be opened independently -- the front door must be opened first and closed last because the front door latches onto the rear suicide door. If the front door is not opened while the car is moving, the rear suicide door cannot be opened.
, and perhaps some other vehicles. While, yes, forward-opening, I do not consider them true suicide-doors....as you note, the front doors have to be opened first, preferably, of course, with the vehicle at a complete stop.
01-10-18, 06:30 AM
#24
Lexus Fanatic
01-10-18, 07:26 AM
#25
Lexus Champion
It seems highly unlikely that Ford would make the investment for suicide doors on a low volume car like the Continental which sells about 1k per month. Maybe on a high volume SUV, but probably still not likely..
01-10-18, 07:51 AM
#27
Lexus Fanatic
These types of doors would be such a turn off to most American full size sedan buyers. Ford already has an uphill battle to convince people to buy their products.
01-10-18, 08:26 AM
#28
Lexus Fanatic
You can make a prediction that they would be...and that's fine. But, without them actually in production, we wouldn't know for sure. Me....my view is that some of the folks like me, who grew up with the original suicide-door Contis and like traditional American luxury, would probably scoop them up....but there may not be enough of those folks left in the new-car market for that to last much longer. They are basically the WWII generation and the older Baby Boomers.
01-10-18, 08:33 AM
#29
Lexus Fanatic
You can make a prediction that they would be...and that's fine. But, without them actually in production, we wouldn't know for sure. Me....my view is that some of the folks like me, who grew up with the original suicide-door Contis and like traditional American luxury, would probably scoop them up....but there may not be enough of those folks left in the new-car market for that to last much longer. They are basically the WWII generation and the older Baby Boomers.
Highly doubt they would work. Ford and more so GM have a already difficult time selling their cars without big discounts. Suicide doors immediately eliminate a huge chunk of buyers. Remember, the overall car market is not growing, it’s retracting. So why make it even a harder sell.
01-10-18, 09:57 AM
#30
Lexus Champion
The Queen's state car is actually a Bentley and not a Rolls-Royce. Funny that Bentley's mass-produced cars do not offer reverse-opening doors.