2020 Cadillac CT5 spied
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Cadillac targeted the ATS at the previous generation 3 series and they nailed it. Unfortunately for Caddy, BMW moved the 3 series to a larger more luxurious car and left the ATS as too small, not luxe enough, and with a flinty ride. The CT6 chassis is an engineering masterpiece. No one else has a car this big that is as light and rigid. Unfortunately for Caddy, their management elected to go for sporty rather than plush leaving them without their traditional market and unable to steal buyers from BMW or Audi. It was a huge investment in technology that did not result in sales success. These cars are expensive to produce so just cutting price is not too attractive.
Hopefully, the CT5 will be a better market fit depending on how it is priced.
Hopefully, the CT5 will be a better market fit depending on how it is priced.
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They did not "nail it". Nailing it is having a sales hit. Not building a car that beats the 3-Series solely in driving dynamics; while the 3-Series is expanding its customer base by moving away from best-in-class driving dynamics. Caddy hit a bulls-eye on the one thing most people don't really care about; and then missed the mark on most things that buyers do care about: practicality (extremely cramped interior), interior design (an instrument panel that would be embarrassing for Chevy, and mediocre interior trim), and controls (CUE and haptic controls? what a joke). I looked at the ATS and bought a 328. Then I went to the Philly Auto Show after I bought my car, and said "Thank g-d I did not get the Caddy." The superior driving dynamics really wouldn't have done me much good in my traffic-choked suburb anyway.
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......and not to mention the fact that, with the ATS, those razor-sharp driving characteristics come at the cost of a stiff ride....even more so in the V version. That wouldn't mix in very well with the Philly area's rough roads.....a common problem throughout much of the Northeast.
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And that's what I find fascinating. Because I see so many elderly drivers in tooling around in the ATS. I'm guessing many are just Caddy loyalists who automatically just buy the entry level Caddy--but I can't imagine those customers are happy with the way the car drives, as you describe.
Maybe a little off-topic, but something you might want. Here's the information for the Philadelphia Auto Show. It runs almost exactly the same dates as the D.C. show.....January 27-February 4. It's a smaller show, though, than either D.C. or Detroit, and, though it's possible, Cadillac is not likely to have a lot in the way of future products there.
https://www.phillyautoshow.com
https://www.phillyautoshow.com/show-info/floor-plan/
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Maybe a little off-topic, but something you might want. Here's the information for the Philadelphia Auto Show. It runs almost exactly the same dates as the D.C. show.....January 27-February 4. It's a smaller show, though, than either D.C. or Detroit, and, though it's possible, Cadillac is not likely to have a lot in the way of future products there.
https://www.phillyautoshow.com
https://www.phillyautoshow.com/show-info/floor-plan/
https://www.phillyautoshow.com
https://www.phillyautoshow.com/show-info/floor-plan/
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I worked in a Caddy Olds dealership first year of college...I had the distinct impression that Caddy may have been at their historical low by now, but I sure liked being able to use the lifts whenever I wanted to! (they were single post back then, and I raised my classmate's Porsche as high as it would go, and it would not come down [I did not know about the safety catches]) I have this sick feeling Caddy is headed in the same direction, kinda aimlessly trying to see what will sell....seriously, this is 2018, with tons of technology/social media etc. GM needs to ask themselves why their Caddy event with the CTS-V came across as the amateur hour. My buddy said his wife almost crashed and the person wasn't saying anything.
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I live here and I've always thought it was not a very good show. At least at the Big E, you can sit in the Corvettes and they give you free t shirts on the spot! When I was a kid the auto show was in the NY Coliseum...nothing was more exciting than being 12 yo and having my pic taken with a model, couldn't wait for my parents to get the film developed. Today, I don't even remember seeing any models and all the cars seem to be locked, that's not a show to me lol
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I live here and I've always thought it was not a very good show. At least at the Big E, you can sit in the Corvettes and they give you free t shirts on the spot! When I was a kid the auto show was in the NY Coliseum...nothing was more exciting than being 12 yo and having my pic taken with a model, couldn't wait for my parents to get the film developed. Today, I don't even remember seeing any models and all the cars seem to be locked, that's not a show to me lol
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Ha--I totally agree about the NY show at the Coliseum--but I still remember higher end cars like Porsche and MB being locked. I went to the Javits Center about 3-4 years ago on Easter Sunday, and it was wall to wall people. I got to attend the Javits Center on Dealer Day one year--the BEST. No cars were locked; MB had bagels and a schmear, and there was hardly anyone there. Philly definitely pales in comparison; but I don't really care so much about getting my pic taken with a model. The same makes are locked at Philly as they were in NY.
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There are coupons you can get from dealers and McDonald's, but they run a CyberMonday 1/2 price deal every year. I also learned by accident that if you go to the Simeone Foundation Museum during or right before the show, they will give you free tix to the Philly show, because a few cars from their collection are absent because they send them over to the show every year.
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Maybe a little off-topic, but something you might want. Here's the information for the Philadelphia Auto Show. It runs almost exactly the same dates as the D.C. show.....January 27-February 4. It's a smaller show, though, than either D.C. or Detroit, and, though it's possible, Cadillac is not likely to have a lot in the way of future products there.
https://www.phillyautoshow.com
https://www.phillyautoshow.com/show-info/floor-plan/
https://www.phillyautoshow.com
https://www.phillyautoshow.com/show-info/floor-plan/
https://www.phillyautoshow.com/show-info/floor-plan/
https://www.washingtonautoshow.com/s...bitor-listing/
I'm not sure why Caddy would think this is a wise move. I was actually looking forward to seeing the CT6.
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Yes, That's interesting. Caddy did have a display at Detroit. But, on the other hand, according to the floor plan, Porsche will have a display here in D.C., but not at the larger Detroit show....go figure.
And Mitsubishi will not have a display at any of the shows.
Did you mean the CT5?
You can look at (and test-drive) the CT6 at any Cadillac dealership...It's been out for well over a year.
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I'm not sure why Caddy would think this is a wise move. I was actually looking forward to seeing the CT6.
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Turns out, Cadillac doesn't have ANY products at Philly or DC:
https://www.phillyautoshow.com/show-info/floor-plan/
https://www.washingtonautoshow.com/s...bitor-listing/
I'm not sure why Caddy would think this is a wise move. I was actually looking forward to seeing the CT6.
https://www.phillyautoshow.com/show-info/floor-plan/
https://www.washingtonautoshow.com/s...bitor-listing/
I'm not sure why Caddy would think this is a wise move. I was actually looking forward to seeing the CT6.
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The Chicago Auto Show will have 3 Mitsubishi models on display (I wouldn't expect much traffic). Porsche and Cadillac will both be there. It would seem really odd with no Caddy's on display.
I've seen a couple of videos of new Porsche models at the '18 Detroit show.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...28&FORM=VDQVAP
I've seen a couple of videos of new Porsche models at the '18 Detroit show.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...28&FORM=VDQVAP
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