tex2670

Mitsu is at Philly--but I understand them cutting costs to not go to shows.

If Caddy didn't go to Detroit, they might as well just fold....

I meant the CT6--I know when it came out. I'm not going to waste my time making a special visit to a Caddy dealer to look at the a car for 5 minutes, especially when there's no chance I'm getting one. I'm going to be at the show, and I like the CT6, so it was on my list to check out. That's the entire point of the auto show, and the baffling part of why Caddy isn't there. "Hey, look, that Caddy is pretty nice. I didn't realize."

The CT5 isn't coming out till '20, and there's only spy photos. No cars debut in Philly.

mmarshall

Yep, and I was wrong.....they are at Detroit, too. Didn't notice it at first, but they have a very small display in the lower-left-hand corner of the floor plan, next to Volvo:

https://naias.com/wp-content/uploads...lan-Public.pdf

Porsche hasn't been to Detroit in several years, yet there's no sign of them folding anytime soon. The company readily admits they don't bother with that show...prefering to concentrate on other areas.

Well, if you're not retired like me, then, yes, time is probably more important to you.


Certainly no arguments there. But, just to be sure, I'll check the next time I'm there again, in a couple of days. I haven't been downstairs yet (the D.C. show is on two levels)...usually, on my first day at the show, I take in all of the upstairs displays (the show is so big you can't see everything, thoroughly, in one day). Sometimes, though, changes are made overnight while the crowd is at home, or they revise the floor plan from what was first on the web site. Maybe (?) Caddy will show up, later....we'll see. The Detroit show is still running through tomorrow (it doesn't end till the 28th), and maybe (?) they will bring some of the stuff there down to what's left of the D.C. show....that's been known to happen.

Toys4RJill

I think the Cadillac brand is dead (although I kinda like their cars). Only thing they got going for them is the Escalade.

mmarshall

Though it's no secret that I generally prefer Buicks, I don't see any reason why the Cadillac nameplate has to die. If they can make their CUE system more user-friendly like the Buick Intellink, make their sedans feel and drive like Cadillacs again instead of Germanic sport-sedans, and, of course, start using the kind of build-quality materials that Genesis does in their vehicles, then IMO they will have a brighter future.

tex2670

Even if it is, the people at Caddy will be the last ones to realize it.
Cadillac has had 20 years of being right there "if" they did this, that or the other thing. It's time to do, not dream.

"If" they can make CUE more user friendly? How hard can that possibly be?! Dump it and add Intellink, which receives much better reviews across every other GM brand. "Oh no, we can't do that. We are Cadillac. We now have our HQ in NYC; we have to be better!" That's Caddy's problem--they are too blind, arrogant or stupid to get out of their own way to do simple little thinks to make their products either better, more desirable, or both.

Guy Legend

LexBob2

As mentioned earlier, it looks like Porsche was at the Detroit show.There are several videos of models on display.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=porsche+at+the+2018+naias+&&view=detail&mid=ABCFD4CC35D2C1D78B28ABCFD4CC35D2C1D78B28&&FORM=VDRVRV

mmarshall

Must have been a last-minute change. Unless your eyes are better then mine, I did not see it on this year's floor plan.

https://naias.com/wp-content/uploads...lan-Public.pdf

pbm317

Porsche was only there from a local dealer bringing a few cars for a display called The Gallery I believe. They did not have a full display/press conference. Same for Jaguar/Land Rover. Even the Volvo's, located outside the main hall were from a local dealer if i remember correctly.

Back to CT5, really interested to see how the product (and the future of Cadillac) develops.

Aron9000

Some of that same group think has Cadillac in the current mess they are in now. Cadillac needs to concentrate on building better Cadillacs, not building small, stiff riding sport sedans, the market has moved on from that. Really what Cadillac needs to focus on is better quality, better execution of interiors, better integration of technology. That's where they have really lagged. Hire some people from Audi or Benz who do interiors and infotainment technology, as your current people suck.

That and more SUV's, they need something smaller than the current XT5 and something larger too. Also some more interesting drive-trains in said SUV's, as you can get the standard AND ONLY 3.6 V6 engine in the XT5 in any other GM suv. Go look at the competition in the Jeep Grand Cherokee, you can get a V6, a diesel, and 3 different V8 options. Same thing with the Benz GLE, two different twin turbo V6 options, a hybrid model, and a V8 are all optional.

Toys4RJill

mmarshall

Cadillac gives a figure of around 200...but the latest figure I could find was a couple of years old.

http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/cadi...ac-dealer.html

Toys4RJill

tex2670

There's one near my office. Of course, it's only a stand alone Caddy dealer because it used to also be Saab, Hummer and Olds too....

mmarshall

Not sure just how far "upstate" in NY you are referring to, but there is Otto Cadillac in Albany, Keyser Cadillac near Buffalo, and Davidson Cadillac in Watertown. They are stand-alone dealerships....and there might be some others. Did you use the Cadillac dealer locator, on the website?

Virtually all of the Caddy shops in the D.C. area are stand-alone, BTW.