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corradoMR2

Same with me on the MB styling and the overall presumptuousness it exudes (to me), though personally prefer it over most BMW sedans as they are still too sedate - same can be said with Audi.


If reliability is tops for you, (as you very well know ) keep the GS. The Stinger is untested on durability and I've chosen to be the guinea pig.

natnut

Get the Kia Stinger GT 3.3L

Apparently there are piggyback ECUs that are undetectable by the dealership and will get you 400 whp on stock internals.

Pacman9270

I voted Audi for the S5 Sportback. That is the only car that would get me to leave mine. Great reviews on performance and not as expensive as an A7. Benz is starting to look the same across their class lineups and there are SO many of the used C and E classes on the road. I just don't see many older BMWs on the road and I would LOVE to own/drive an M3.

EthanV

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...el-forthcoming

Autobacs

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Just sold my 650i Gran Coupe. LOVED the car. I tried to find a logical reason to keep it. I also debated going to an M6.

4 visits to the dealership in a year and half (under warranty for ignition coils, MAF, spark plugs, HP fuel pump) and a frank conversation with a BMW Service advisor made me sell it and not get another BMW. Glad to be in a Lexus GSF!

Everything is relative when it comes to performance and everyone has a different definition. There is always going to be a car faster than you. I bought the GSF for its handling, reliability, luxury, and decent performance.

webra

2008GS

KIA is using the Lexus strategy against Lexus...build a better, higher quality car for thousands less than the competition. I must say the Stinger is a GS copycat. Stlying very similar to my 08 GS350. They are beating Lexus at their own game. No exciting new models at Lexus, although I would LOVE to have an RCF or GSF. Lexus needs exciting mainstream products. The LS500 and LC500 are fabulous but not mainstream products.

Autobacs

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Kia cannot beat Lexus at its own game because they have different core markets.

Higher quality than a Lexus? That is still a fantasy right now. Maybe in the future.

arentz07

I disagree - they can definitely win over Lexus customers who aren't Lexus fans/loyalists by offering similar capabilities at a more affordable price. That, however, may be a small subset of Lexus buyers, since the badge plays into the decision quite heavily. Genesis, etc. will have to earn the badge appeal over time. But, Lexus had to do that as well back in the 90s.

oldcajun

Check Alex on Autos review of the KIA Cadenza. KIA actually builds a better ES350.

Viru

I would definitely say Mercedes as it shares a lot of similarities to Lexus - well built, respectable, with a dynamic edge. I almost bought one myself, before I ended up with the 2IS. The Mercs feel a little less modern and cutting-edge to me, although that's part of the charm.

Personally never enjoyed Audi handling or BMW looks.

2008GS

[QUOTE=arentz07;10100211]I disagree - they can definitely win over Lexus customers who aren't Lexus fans/loyalists by offering similar capabilities at a more affordable price. That, however, may be a small subset of Lexus buyers, since the badge plays into the decision quite heavily. Genesis, etc. will have to earn the badge appeal over time. But, Lexus had to do that as well back in the 90s.

Agreed

2008GS

My point exactly.

Orzel

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Like a few others here, I will go out on a limb and say, try a Porsche. A used, CPO, can be had well within your budget, and they are awesome vehicles. I was going to get another RX, but just cannot get past the styling, tried the Merc, was not impressed, almost bought an Audi, that is until a drove a Porsche. Puts a smile on my face every morning when I get in!