Car show attendance?
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Car show attendance?
for those who have attended the detroit, chicago, dc, la, philly or any othr major show locations, what is the attendance like?
i ask because reading cadillac is not at this one or porsche or mercedes isn't at another makes me think they believe it isn't worth it. If they think the show is attended moslty by enthuiasts and not people likely to actually buy, then it's a waste unless those enthusiasts influence a lot of buyers.
i'm wondering if the car show itself is becoming a dying albatross, perhaps to be replaced by virtual reality where people can explore the whole show and all cars without going anywhere.
i ask because reading cadillac is not at this one or porsche or mercedes isn't at another makes me think they believe it isn't worth it. If they think the show is attended moslty by enthuiasts and not people likely to actually buy, then it's a waste unless those enthusiasts influence a lot of buyers.
i'm wondering if the car show itself is becoming a dying albatross, perhaps to be replaced by virtual reality where people can explore the whole show and all cars without going anywhere.
#2
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I couldn't really tell because it was very close to the end of the day when we were there tonight, I'll know more when I get back later in the week for general admission.
Very surprised Mercedes and Cadillac aren't at the DC show. Porsche has stayed out the past few years but they were there (all their cars are locked).
Very surprised Mercedes and Cadillac aren't at the DC show. Porsche has stayed out the past few years but they were there (all their cars are locked).
#3
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Detroit autoshow was up this year. Toronto autoshow set a record in 2017 despite a smaller footprint. Not everything grows year after year and you have to be carful as internet news reporting can be very fact less. Some people say auto shows are dead and done, this is not true. 800k for Detroit this year. 340k for Toronto.
DC last year was the 5th busiest in the history of the show.
Toronto used to have half the show in the MLB baseball dome stadium while the rest was in the Metro Convention Center. But now they no longer use the stadium.
DC last year was the 5th busiest in the history of the show.
Toronto used to have half the show in the MLB baseball dome stadium while the rest was in the Metro Convention Center. But now they no longer use the stadium.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 01-28-18 at 09:36 PM.
#4
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I was at the D.C. show Friday, and plan to go back tomorrow and at least one or two more days.....there's just too much to (adequately) see in one day. Friday's attendance (it was opening day) was a little more than you typically see on weekdays....but Saturday and Sunday are typically the peak attendance-days, with some real crowds.
It's odd, I admit, that Cadillac and Mercedes are (so far) skipping the D.C show ...I haven't seen that before, though it's not surprising that tiny Mitsubishi isn't showing up. However, Porsche, which skipped the D.C (and Detroit) shows for some years, has returned....they often lock their cars, though. But floor-plans aren't always set in stone.....sometimes changes are made in the middle of a show's schedule, and we might (?) see Caddy and Mercedes back later in the week, after the Detroit show is done.
As far as "enthusiasts" go, yes, there are a fair number of those at the D.C. show, but, in general, many of the show-goers seem to be just ordinary people either curious about the new-car market or actually ready to start shopping for one. I (typically) talk to a number of people myself, there, at the show, who just want general advice on a new vehicle, not influenced by the salespeople and company reps there, all trying to push their products.
I'd have to see and experience this "virtual reality" before actually commenting on it, but, in general, my experience, so far, has been there is nothing like an actual hands-on review and/or test-drive.
It's odd, I admit, that Cadillac and Mercedes are (so far) skipping the D.C show ...I haven't seen that before, though it's not surprising that tiny Mitsubishi isn't showing up. However, Porsche, which skipped the D.C (and Detroit) shows for some years, has returned....they often lock their cars, though. But floor-plans aren't always set in stone.....sometimes changes are made in the middle of a show's schedule, and we might (?) see Caddy and Mercedes back later in the week, after the Detroit show is done.
As far as "enthusiasts" go, yes, there are a fair number of those at the D.C. show, but, in general, many of the show-goers seem to be just ordinary people either curious about the new-car market or actually ready to start shopping for one. I (typically) talk to a number of people myself, there, at the show, who just want general advice on a new vehicle, not influenced by the salespeople and company reps there, all trying to push their products.
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i'm wondering if the car show itself is becoming a dying albatross, perhaps to be replaced by virtual reality where people can explore the whole show and all cars without going anywhere.
Last edited by mmarshall; 01-28-18 at 09:35 PM.
#5
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Detroit autoshow was up this year. Toronto autoshow set a record in 2017 despite a smaller footprint. Not everything grows year after year and you have to be carful as internet news reporting can be very fact less. Some people say auto shows are dead and done, this is not true. 800k for Detroit this year. 340k for Toronto.
DC last year was the 5th busiest in the history of the show.
DC last year was the 5th busiest in the history of the show.
Last edited by mmarshall; 01-28-18 at 09:57 PM.
#6
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I have been to the Detroit show. Back in 2002 or around there. It is the best the show by far. From what I remember, almost all cars are in accessories more where the dash and radios, lights and controls all work. Not sure if this is still the case.
#7
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If attendance is declining, it could be due to lack of younger generation's interest in cars and driving. As we continue to mimic third-world trends in California, having a car and a license the day you turn 16 is rapidly becoming rare. Public transportation is gaining popularity and becoming the norm for the next gen. One good byproduct from this is the more they use public transportation, the more it MAY open up slots on the roads for the rest of us, and we may actually be able to get somewhere in under one hour.
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#8
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If attendance is declining, it could be due to lack of younger generation's interest in cars and driving. As we continue to mimic third-world trends in California, having a car and a license the day you turn 16 is rapidly becoming rare. Public transportation is gaining popularity and becoming the norm for the next gen. One good byproduct from this is the more they use public transportation, the more it MAY open up slots on the roads for the rest of us, and we may actually be able to get somewhere in under one hour.
#9
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I go to the Chicago show about once every two or three years, mostly as a last minute decision. This show draws over a million people a year in McCormick Place which has over a million sq. ft. of display space and it seems to be crowed most of the time. I think a lot of people view it as an outing and something to do while seeing some cars in the process. I agree that it's not necessarily geared toward enthusiasts although for me it's nice to see the exotics and higher end cars on display in one spot (always locked and sometimes roped off. I can see interest in shows declining as new technology and changing interests take their toll.
#10
I'm planning on going to the Chicago show this year. As Bob stated, it's usually very crowded. I try to go on a week day, but it's still packed. After seeing some manufactures opting out of other shows, I was glad to see them coming to Chicago.
https://www.chicagoautoshow.com/vehicles-on-display/
I'm really looking forward to seeing the Genesis G70 in person.
https://www.chicagoautoshow.com/vehicles-on-display/
I'm really looking forward to seeing the Genesis G70 in person.
#11
Attendance is definitely tougher with auto shows in the day and age of the internet where sites like Autoblog will post up every new car in 60 photos plus manufacturer produced professional photos the minute the embargo and press conference goes up. Chicago is still the largest consumer focused/attended show in the country I believe.
The internet and some more product globalization from the automakers also allow them to use shows in Shanghai, Frankfurt, Geneva, etc rather than just focusing on old marquees of Detroit, New York, LA and Chicago. So it spreads their attention and announcements out across multiple geographies and times throughout the year. I've gone to shows every year since I was a kid, and I don't see myself stopping any time soon, although for me personally it's a combination of work and fun.
The internet and some more product globalization from the automakers also allow them to use shows in Shanghai, Frankfurt, Geneva, etc rather than just focusing on old marquees of Detroit, New York, LA and Chicago. So it spreads their attention and announcements out across multiple geographies and times throughout the year. I've gone to shows every year since I was a kid, and I don't see myself stopping any time soon, although for me personally it's a combination of work and fun.
#12
I went to this year's Detroit show on the morning it opened. It was jam packed even at 9:30 a.m., definitely more than my visit just 2 yrs ago. I was disappointed that Porsche, Jaguar/Land Rover, Maserati, and all the exotic brands did not show up. Also, none of the Germans kept their higher end cars unlocked. Regardless, it was still a good show overall.
The Seattle auto show, which I frequent most years, doesn't get that busy compared to Detroit per say. It's a better show overall if you are looking to experience some of the cars due it it being less busy and automakers allowing you to sit in their higher end cars.
Vancouver was jam packed last time I went a couple yrs ago. It's an extravaganza of every brand imaginable. No automaker skips this one as the business case for showing up is justifiable. Too many rich Asians with stacks of cash.
The Seattle auto show, which I frequent most years, doesn't get that busy compared to Detroit per say. It's a better show overall if you are looking to experience some of the cars due it it being less busy and automakers allowing you to sit in their higher end cars.
Vancouver was jam packed last time I went a couple yrs ago. It's an extravaganza of every brand imaginable. No automaker skips this one as the business case for showing up is justifiable. Too many rich Asians with stacks of cash.
Last edited by BrownPride; 01-29-18 at 11:27 AM.
#13
Lexus Fanatic
I went to this year's Detroit show on the morning it opened. It was jam packed even at 9:30 a.m., definitely more than my visit just 2 yrs ago. I was disappointed that Porsche, Jaguar/Land Rover, Maserati, and all the exotic brands did not show up. Also, none of the Germans kept their higher end cars unlocked. Regardless, it was still a good show overall.
The Seattle auto show, which I frequent most years, doesn't get that busy compared to Detroit per say. It's a better show overall if you are looking to experience some of the cars due it it being less busy and automakers allowing you to sit in their higher end cars.
Vancouver was jam packed last time I went a couple yrs ago. It's an extravaganza of every brand imaginable. No automaker skips this one as the business case for showing up is justifiable. Too many rich Asians with stacks of cash.
The Seattle auto show, which I frequent most years, doesn't get that busy compared to Detroit per say. It's a better show overall if you are looking to experience some of the cars due it it being less busy and automakers allowing you to sit in their higher end cars.
Vancouver was jam packed last time I went a couple yrs ago. It's an extravaganza of every brand imaginable. No automaker skips this one as the business case for showing up is justifiable. Too many rich Asians with stacks of cash.
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for those who have attended the detroit, chicago, dc, la, philly or any othr major show locations, what is the attendance like?
i ask because reading cadillac is not at this one or porsche or mercedes isn't at another makes me think they believe it isn't worth it. If they think the show is attended moslty by enthuiasts and not people likely to actually buy, then it's a waste unless those enthusiasts influence a lot of buyers.
i'm wondering if the car show itself is becoming a dying albatross, perhaps to be replaced by virtual reality where people can explore the whole show and all cars without going anywhere.
i ask because reading cadillac is not at this one or porsche or mercedes isn't at another makes me think they believe it isn't worth it. If they think the show is attended moslty by enthuiasts and not people likely to actually buy, then it's a waste unless those enthusiasts influence a lot of buyers.
i'm wondering if the car show itself is becoming a dying albatross, perhaps to be replaced by virtual reality where people can explore the whole show and all cars without going anywhere.
It all goes down as a marketing expense. I don't see how mfgs can think that attendance is primarily by enthusiasts.
For them to skip Detroit, but not Philly seems odd.