Jaguar I-Pace electric SUV
03-03-18, 11:08 AM
#17
remember, this is an indian company behind this. and volvo, making huge strides, has a giant well funded chinese company behind it, which just happened to have bought a huge chunk in daimler.
not long now... the rest of the world's auto makers won't know what hit them until it's way too late, or they've been assimilated, of they simply move more r&d and production over there.
not long now... the rest of the world's auto makers won't know what hit them until it's way too late, or they've been assimilated, of they simply move more r&d and production over there.
Tata and Geely on their own are not competitive at all. Tata isnt even trying to share, their own brand is faltering and doing nothing even in their home market where they are being defeated by the Japanese (Suzuki) while Geely is designing their own models now around Volvo R&D not other way around.
So this idea how someone is going to move something somewhere is not going to happen.
As to the Chinese funding, it is not that simple... a lot of those holding companies are failing these days because they used bank loans to fund their purchases, which they cant pay back now... and Chinese state is now cracking down on them since they are weakening whole banking system over there. It is not just Faraday future and Ecotv brand, a lot of failures in past year.
03-03-18, 11:50 AM
#18
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^^^ interesting, so do you think geely will go bankrupt?
03-03-18, 11:52 AM
#19
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remember, this is an indian company behind this. and volvo, making huge strides, has a giant well funded chinese company behind it, which just happened to have bought a huge chunk in daimler.
not long now... the rest of the world's auto makers won't know what hit them until it's way too late, or they've been assimilated, or they simply move more r&d and production over there.
not long now... the rest of the world's auto makers won't know what hit them until it's way too late, or they've been assimilated, or they simply move more r&d and production over there.
03-03-18, 05:20 PM
#20
hah, no... i was referring to the idea that everyone will be bought off, they wont. And certainly they wont move R&D out, they just dont have it. Most of Chinese manufacturer's R&D is buying off Japanese, Korean and European engineers. Europeans also sell a lot of manufacturing equipment there.
There is a good reason their industry is not being able to sell those cars outside the China successfully... Cost of labour is only 8% of the car production cost, which is also only a part of overall car cost.
I dont see a problem with them buying shares in any car manufacturers, makes more sense than some arab sheik doing it.
There is a good reason their industry is not being able to sell those cars outside the China successfully... Cost of labour is only 8% of the car production cost, which is also only a part of overall car cost.
I dont see a problem with them buying shares in any car manufacturers, makes more sense than some arab sheik doing it.
03-05-18, 05:58 PM
#21
It still doesn't make sense to me though. Perfect scenario, if I have my left hand on the wheel, I'll either have to cross my hands to reach the left side, swap hands that is holding the wheel, or stretch across for the ****.
Trivial, I know but I'm all about ergonomics lol.
That's the thought I had, but it looks so unfinished to me. Like a gaping hole in the dash.
Trivial, I know but I'm all about ergonomics lol.
That's the thought I had, but it looks so unfinished to me. Like a gaping hole in the dash.
03-07-18, 07:31 AM
#22
Pricing announced, It starts at $70,495 with the first edition at $86895.
https://blog.caranddriver.com/2019-j...ws&date=030718
https://blog.caranddriver.com/2019-j...ws&date=030718
03-07-18, 05:10 PM
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03-12-18, 04:00 PM
#27
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Its a good look and follows the design cues of the latest Jag SUVs. What I like most is seeing that other companies are quickly coming to market with these vehicles. Although Jaguar doesn't have anything close to Tesla's supercharger network, the fact that such cars exist outside of the Tesla brand pushes the envelope for building out the charging infrastructure.
This is the type of SUV that is perfect for someone who lives in an urban area who has the ability to charge it at home and doesn't really use the car for daily drives that are no more than 50-100 miles a day. Come home, charge it overnight and be on your way again. Competition is good because it will drive prices down, competitors have to differentiate and offer more year after year. This give us consumers more options which always a plus!
I actually like the styling of the Jaguar I Pace better than the Model X...the Jag also will likely have the 5yr/60k factory warranty which is standard on all Jags (Tesla's is 4yr/50k) but Tesla does have the 8yr unlimited powertrain warranty so we'll have to see how Jaguar competes there.
This is the type of SUV that is perfect for someone who lives in an urban area who has the ability to charge it at home and doesn't really use the car for daily drives that are no more than 50-100 miles a day. Come home, charge it overnight and be on your way again. Competition is good because it will drive prices down, competitors have to differentiate and offer more year after year. This give us consumers more options which always a plus!
I actually like the styling of the Jaguar I Pace better than the Model X...the Jag also will likely have the 5yr/60k factory warranty which is standard on all Jags (Tesla's is 4yr/50k) but Tesla does have the 8yr unlimited powertrain warranty so we'll have to see how Jaguar competes there.
03-13-18, 10:52 AM
#28
So the car can do aggressive regen braking, allowing for one-pedal driving.
I think this is similar to the Teslas, yes? Are the brakelights smart enough to turn on when decelerating, even if the brake pedal is not touched? Isn't that the point of brake lights, to inform the driver behind you that you are aggressively slowing down?
I think this is similar to the Teslas, yes? Are the brakelights smart enough to turn on when decelerating, even if the brake pedal is not touched? Isn't that the point of brake lights, to inform the driver behind you that you are aggressively slowing down?
03-14-18, 10:42 AM
#29
So the car can do aggressive regen braking, allowing for one-pedal driving.
I think this is similar to the Teslas, yes? Are the brakelights smart enough to turn on when decelerating, even if the brake pedal is not touched? Isn't that the point of brake lights, to inform the driver behind you that you are aggressively slowing down?
I think this is similar to the Teslas, yes? Are the brakelights smart enough to turn on when decelerating, even if the brake pedal is not touched? Isn't that the point of brake lights, to inform the driver behind you that you are aggressively slowing down?
04-05-18, 10:07 AM
#30
2019 Jaguar I-Pace First Drive Review
While the rest of the automotive press was gallivanting about Manhattan prior to the New York Auto Show, a select few were bused out to Jaguar-Land Rover's new corporate headquarters in Mahwah, N.J. It was there we saw the world debut of the new F-Pace SVR, the North American debut of the Range Rover SV Coupe, and got our first real taste of the I-Pace.
The chief impression is that it feels much smaller than its exterior dimensions would indicate, maneuvering quickly and effortlessly without a hint of roll. Credit the wheels pushed out to the absolute corners and a low center of gravity, both the result of Jaguar's decision to fully embrace the packaging and engineering possibilities of an electric powertrain. The steering was perhaps not as feelsome as other Jaguars, but again, who really knows? Two minutes, parking lot, etc.
In terms of power, it sure is an electric car. Smooth, quick and quiet, but with so little space to work with, there would've been little noticeable difference between the 394-horsepower I-Pace and the 147-hp Nissan Leafcurrently sitting in my driveway. Its estimated range of 240 miles on the EPA cycle? Uh, it was good enough for an afternoon of journalists driving in circles.
What I can definitively declare, however, is that the 2019 I-Pace boasts far superior interior quality than every Tesla I've driven. It's also, just as important, a considerable leap forward in terms of materials quality and design from the rather dull and disappointing current Jaguar litter of F-Pace, XF and XE. For instance, leather or leatherette always cover the dash (versus the rubbery stuff found in lower F-Pace, XF and XE trim levels), while there was clearly an effort made to visually spruce things up. The dual-screen center console controls first seen on the Range Rover Velar also appear for the first time in a Jaguar, as does a unique push-button shifter.
The chief impression is that it feels much smaller than its exterior dimensions would indicate, maneuvering quickly and effortlessly without a hint of roll. Credit the wheels pushed out to the absolute corners and a low center of gravity, both the result of Jaguar's decision to fully embrace the packaging and engineering possibilities of an electric powertrain. The steering was perhaps not as feelsome as other Jaguars, but again, who really knows? Two minutes, parking lot, etc.
In terms of power, it sure is an electric car. Smooth, quick and quiet, but with so little space to work with, there would've been little noticeable difference between the 394-horsepower I-Pace and the 147-hp Nissan Leafcurrently sitting in my driveway. Its estimated range of 240 miles on the EPA cycle? Uh, it was good enough for an afternoon of journalists driving in circles.
What I can definitively declare, however, is that the 2019 I-Pace boasts far superior interior quality than every Tesla I've driven. It's also, just as important, a considerable leap forward in terms of materials quality and design from the rather dull and disappointing current Jaguar litter of F-Pace, XF and XE. For instance, leather or leatherette always cover the dash (versus the rubbery stuff found in lower F-Pace, XF and XE trim levels), while there was clearly an effort made to visually spruce things up. The dual-screen center console controls first seen on the Range Rover Velar also appear for the first time in a Jaguar, as does a unique push-button shifter.
When I pressed designer Wayne Burgess to describe the interior's aesthetic change and asked whether it was a sign of things to come, he ignored the query and adeptly pivoted to talking about the cabin's inherent space efficiency advantages.
Very well, at least it's a point worth making. Here the switch to an electric-only platform allowed the designers and engineers to adopt a cab-forward design inspired by mid-engine supercars like Jag's C-X75 concept, and definitely not the Dodge Intrepid. Doing so freed up a ton of interior space, for although its exterior length is on par with a Porsche Macan, Jaguar says its interior volume is similar to that of a long-wheelbase Jaguar XJ. Rear seat legroom on paper is on par with both the Tesla Model 3 and Model S.
In practice, the back seat has more than enough headroom despite the panoramic glass roof, but the seat itself is mounted a wee bit low for ideal comfort. It's better than the rock-bottom BMW X4's, but is comparable to other SUV/coupe creations. Up front, the seats demonstrate ample adjustability range, and although they're mounted a bit higher than a typical car's, and definitely a typical Jaguar's, the driving position is not what one would call "commanding."
The cargo area is basically a really big trunk (25.3 cubic feet) as that sloped rear deck doesn't do much for versatility. It's at least a hatchback, though, which gives it an advantage over the Tesla Model 3's traditional sedan trunk. The frunk offers a token 0.95 cubic feet that's probably big enough to store a large house cat (not attempted, not recommended). Inside, the center console adopts more storage than other Jags since there isn't a driveshaft gobbling up room. This includes a main bin that offers 10 liters of space, which both Burgess and chief Jaguar designer Ian Callum separately confirmed is big "enough to hold two wine bottles." At least we know there's a design studio bar.
So full driving impressions will have to wait for an actual first drive of the 2019 I-Pace, but I can at least say that this is a car worth getting excited for. In fact, Callum says it's the most exciting project he's ever been a part of, which is certainly impressive should you peruse his résumé. And really, if this thing had a spikey T logo on its trunk rather than a leaping cat, I'd wager the Internet would melt, women would faint in the streets and waiting lists would stretch to Mars.
As it is, you can order an I-Pace right now with a starting price of $69,500 for the full 90kWh battery, 240-mile range and 0-60 time of 4.5 seconds. Deliveries begin in the second half of this year.
Very well, at least it's a point worth making. Here the switch to an electric-only platform allowed the designers and engineers to adopt a cab-forward design inspired by mid-engine supercars like Jag's C-X75 concept, and definitely not the Dodge Intrepid. Doing so freed up a ton of interior space, for although its exterior length is on par with a Porsche Macan, Jaguar says its interior volume is similar to that of a long-wheelbase Jaguar XJ. Rear seat legroom on paper is on par with both the Tesla Model 3 and Model S.
In practice, the back seat has more than enough headroom despite the panoramic glass roof, but the seat itself is mounted a wee bit low for ideal comfort. It's better than the rock-bottom BMW X4's, but is comparable to other SUV/coupe creations. Up front, the seats demonstrate ample adjustability range, and although they're mounted a bit higher than a typical car's, and definitely a typical Jaguar's, the driving position is not what one would call "commanding."
The cargo area is basically a really big trunk (25.3 cubic feet) as that sloped rear deck doesn't do much for versatility. It's at least a hatchback, though, which gives it an advantage over the Tesla Model 3's traditional sedan trunk. The frunk offers a token 0.95 cubic feet that's probably big enough to store a large house cat (not attempted, not recommended). Inside, the center console adopts more storage than other Jags since there isn't a driveshaft gobbling up room. This includes a main bin that offers 10 liters of space, which both Burgess and chief Jaguar designer Ian Callum separately confirmed is big "enough to hold two wine bottles." At least we know there's a design studio bar.
So full driving impressions will have to wait for an actual first drive of the 2019 I-Pace, but I can at least say that this is a car worth getting excited for. In fact, Callum says it's the most exciting project he's ever been a part of, which is certainly impressive should you peruse his résumé. And really, if this thing had a spikey T logo on its trunk rather than a leaping cat, I'd wager the Internet would melt, women would faint in the streets and waiting lists would stretch to Mars.
As it is, you can order an I-Pace right now with a starting price of $69,500 for the full 90kWh battery, 240-mile range and 0-60 time of 4.5 seconds. Deliveries begin in the second half of this year.