2019 GMC Sierra
03-06-18, 11:27 AM
#16
Lexus Fanatic
Much more attractive than the Silverado IMHO.
03-06-18, 08:06 PM
#17
The Silverado looks better. That said, money isn;t being allocated into the right departments with these trucks and new suvs. Trucks don't need a major design overhaul or a lot of money invested into the design. It seems that people forget what trucks are for. They are utility vehicles. Just one look at the truck and I can see where money isn't being used properly.
03-06-18, 08:09 PM
#18
Lexus Fanatic
The Silverado looks better. That said, money isn;t being allocated into the right departments with these trucks and new suvs. Trucks don't need a major design overhaul or a lot of money invested into the design. It seems that people forget what trucks are for. They are utility vehicles. Just one look at the truck and I can see where money isn't being used properly.
03-06-18, 08:35 PM
#19
At the heart and soul of truck is a utility vehicle, more so than an suv and sedan. You cannot argue that and never can. Yes, these trucks are being bought as a halo garage queen, but for the most part, people would rather see it exceed in utility capabilities instead of lavish exterior styling. Trucks are not luxury cars and never will be. It just doesn't look as good pulling up to the red carpet in a truck as it would a coupe.
Last edited by theory816; 03-06-18 at 08:40 PM.
03-06-18, 08:56 PM
#20
Lexus Fanatic
I would (respectfully) suggest a trip down to your local Dodge/Ram dealer and a test-drive in a Ram 1500. Then tell us if you notice any significant difference between its ride comfort, noise-level and general refinement in its road-manners, from some of the best-riding sedans. Several years ago, a commitment was made by Ram engineers to make this arguably the most comfortable pickup on the road, and, IMO, they succeeded....partly, among other factors, by replacing the rear leaf springs with coils. Ford and GM have also made some progress in improving the ride comfort of their large trucks (as with the Ford F-150's conversion to aluminum structure)....but not to anywhere near the Ram's extent.
03-06-18, 09:10 PM
#21
Lexus Champion
Agreed!!!! Love the GM V8's, especially that big 6.2 V8. Lots of muscle with that engine, but its stupid how GM has limited it to only upper spec crew cab 1/2 ton trucks. Also dumb that particular engine isn't avaliable in heavy duty 3/4 and 1 ton models, you are stuck with a less powerful 6.0 liter V8 if you want a gas truck with more tow rating. Make it an across the board option like Ford does with its 3.5 Eco-boost V6, or do like Ford and offer an even better engine option for your heavy duty models(6.2 liter V8 is standard in the Ford heavy duty).
Also GM still sucks in terms of interior design IMO. The materials quality/tightness/lack of squeaks/rattles has improved dramatically, but they need to fire their designers. I mean look at that picture of the gauge cluster and dash area of the new Sierra. How many different textures are there, how many different cut lines? How many different pieces that butt together to where you have to worry about even/straight panel gaps???
I'd drive one of these in a heartbeat.
03-06-18, 09:52 PM
#22
I would (respectfully) suggest a trip down to your local Dodge/Ram dealer and a test-drive in a Ram 1500. Then tell us if you notice any significant difference between its ride comfort, noise-level and general refinement in its road-manners, from some of the best-riding sedans. Several years ago, a commitment was made by Ram engineers to make this arguably the most comfortable pickup on the road, and, IMO, they succeeded....partly, among other factors, by replacing the rear leaf springs with coils. Ford and GM have also made some progress in improving the ride comfort of their large trucks (as with the Ford F-150's conversion to aluminum structure)....but not to anywhere near the Ram's extent.
I see a lot of truck owners modify their trucks with a long led bar on the trunk. This is a concern for the manufacturer because they aren't making things that truckers actually need, which is visibility, not better styling.
Last edited by theory816; 03-06-18 at 10:02 PM.
03-07-18, 06:01 AM
#23
Lexus Champion
The Silverado looks better. That said, money isn;t being allocated into the right departments with these trucks and new suvs. Trucks don't need a major design overhaul or a lot of money invested into the design. It seems that people forget what trucks are for. They are utility vehicles. Just one look at the truck and I can see where money isn't being used properly.
03-07-18, 06:10 AM
#24
Lexus Fanatic
See, you couldn't help yourself but to speak about the engineering of these trucks. Ride comfort, refinement, noise comfort are all aspects of what the engineering team has to tackle. What im saying is that the design team has bee given too much money to play with. That money should allocated into the engineering department. So to reiterate, utility is the main priority of trucks, which some of you guys are disagreeing on.
03-07-18, 06:31 AM
#25
Lexus Fanatic
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what is it with the trend of square bracket drls now? 
same on ford f250
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same on ford f250
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03-07-18, 07:55 AM
#26
Lexus Fanatic
At the heart and soul of truck is a utility vehicle, more so than an suv and sedan. You cannot argue that and never can. Yes, these trucks are being bought as a halo garage queen, but for the most part, people would rather see it exceed in utility capabilities instead of lavish exterior styling. Trucks are not luxury cars and never will be. It just doesn't look as good pulling up to the red carpet in a truck as it would a coupe.
Just because a truck has "lavish exterior styling" in certain trims doesn't mean that it lacks in its utility capabilities. Look at the stats, this truck is superior in utility areas to the previous truck too.
Tons of high end high optioned trucks out there used by ranchers and such as work vehicles.
And whether you'd want to pull up to "the red carpet" in a truck vs a coupe depends on where you are. Ask people in Texas.
If buyers didn't want to buy these high end high optioned trucks they wouldn't make them.
03-07-18, 08:17 AM
#27
Lexus Fanatic
See, you couldn't help yourself but to speak about the engineering of these trucks. Ride comfort, refinement, noise comfort are all aspects of what the engineering team has to tackle. What im saying is that the design team has bee given too much money to play with. That money should allocated into the engineering department. So to reiterate, utility is the main priority of trucks, which some of you guys are disagreeing on.
I see a lot of truck owners modify their trucks with a long led bar on the trunk. This is a concern for the manufacturer because they aren't making things that truckers actually need, which is visibility, not better styling.
I see a lot of truck owners modify their trucks with a long led bar on the trunk. This is a concern for the manufacturer because they aren't making things that truckers actually need, which is visibility, not better styling.
We go to racetracks all the time and we see HD trucks of all sorts doing real work. Some of them are leather lined and some are not. All HD and all pulling fifth wheel horse trailers.
This past summer I was in Orilia for the weekend. I went down to the lake for a long walk and I came across a fishing tournament. I have never seen so many pick up trucks. They were all towing boats and were parked with just their trailers. I then stayed to watch as the trucks pulled the boats out of the water. I have seen all of this and done it before (we have a boat) but I have never see so many different makes and models doing it. There is a huge industry for these types of vehicles and when you see them all doing pulling out of the water it is interesting to watch. Most were domestic half tons, a few Toyota trucks, a good number of full size domestic SUVs and a few cross overs here and there.
Complaining about the LED bars and such is silly. People who have trucks like to modify them and make changes and make them more personal. That is a totally different ownership experience than owning a luxury car.
All that said, I would rather own a car for daily driving but we have two BOF SUVs that doing us well when we need them.
03-07-18, 08:22 AM
#28
Lexus Fanatic
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03-07-18, 08:24 AM
#29
Lexus Champion
If this truck is too luxurious, you can come drive my 18 year old Silverado. Bench seat, rubber cab floor, manual windows, no A/C, 5 speed manual transmission... Holds landscaping materials, bricks, Christmas trees, etc. with ease.
03-07-18, 10:45 AM
#30
Super Moderator
At the heart and soul of truck is a utility vehicle, more so than an suv and sedan. You cannot argue that and never can. Yes, these trucks are being bought as a halo garage queen, but for the most part, people would rather see it exceed in utility capabilities instead of lavish exterior styling. Trucks are not luxury cars and never will be. It just doesn't look as good pulling up to the red carpet in a truck as it would a coupe.
In my youth, I had two pickups. Though far from the luxury equipment available today, both were pretty loaded. The first was a Ranger with a stepside bed and a lowered sport suspension, so basically useless for carrying or towing anything. But lowered with chrome wheels and a graphics package, it looked awesome, and was fun to drive. The second was a Dodge Dakota. I wanted the 5.9 R/T, with it's honking 360ci V8, lowered suspension, giant (at the time) 17" alloys, body colored everything and pathetic 1500lb towing capacity. But it was auto-only, so I made do with the 5.2L V8 to get the 5-speed manual I wanted. It in turn got lowered, debadged, all accessories painted body color, rear bumper replaced with a roll pan, throttle body ported and polished, and a Ram air hood installed. Also a set of performance tires and a pair of traction bars, to help out with the wheel hop endemic to high-powered pickup trucks. Never hauled anything but *** except for one apartment move the entire time I had it.
Neither truck had a trailer hitch. It was all about looking good, having fun, and going (relatively) fast for a reasonable cost--utility never even entered the equation. Hell, a friend of mine at the time had a GMC Syclone, a turbocharged AWD version of the Sonoma that had a 500lb towing capacity--not even enough to pull an empty trailer in most cases-- and a fancy body kit. It was discontinued (along with its Jimmy-based SUV cousin the Typhoon) because Chevrolet corporate got pissed that another GM brand was selling a pickup truck that was faster than the C4 Corvette.
I think these values are a whole lot more mainstream than you'd ever admit, hence the plethora of options and massive increase in maximum price among light-duty pickups. Yes, the capability is there for those that want/need it. But there are a ton of people who don't care, and just want a luxury pickup.