2019 GMC Sierra
09-27-18, 06:50 PM
#47
Lexus Fanatic
09-28-18, 11:39 AM
#49
Dysfunctional Veteran
I can't help but laugh at that.
Ram has the 1/2 ton truck segment in the bag, both with tech/features, and with initial build quality. There isn't a better looking, riding, feeling or sounding interior in a half-ton on the market.
Reliability over the long-term remains to be seen, but I don't imagine this gen will be any worse than the last, which weren't bad. I would know, I have had 5 of them personally.
Ram has the 1/2 ton truck segment in the bag, both with tech/features, and with initial build quality. There isn't a better looking, riding, feeling or sounding interior in a half-ton on the market.
Reliability over the long-term remains to be seen, but I don't imagine this gen will be any worse than the last, which weren't bad. I would know, I have had 5 of them personally.
09-28-18, 12:06 PM
#50
Lexus Test Driver
Eh, it depends on what you're looking for in a half-ton truck honestly. All of the trucks have different strengths and weaknesses.
the Ram wins on ride comfort and interior tech right now. But they lose on payload for the same reason they win on comfort. While i think the interior is probably comfortable and well appointed, I can't say I'm in love with the appearance. Not that it's ugly or anything...it's just kind of meh to me. I honestly like the F-150 dash layout a lot better. Mine's a pretty simple XLT without a lot of features, but it has everything I want, including an 8" touch screen, backup camera, in-dash trip computer with plenty of info for me, enough power points and USB ports(that I rarely ever use anyway except to load new wallpapers onto my screen), and storage.
I will say that I find the RAM interior to look a lot better than the GM interior as far as aesthetics go. GM hasn't had a good looking truck interior since 2006. I really liked that dash layout, but of course the cab was a lot smaller than the Ford at the time. I think the RAM 1500 is targetted more at people who want a luxurious hot rod(which there is absolutely nothing wrong with...I love driving my parents' 300C).
the Ram wins on ride comfort and interior tech right now. But they lose on payload for the same reason they win on comfort. While i think the interior is probably comfortable and well appointed, I can't say I'm in love with the appearance. Not that it's ugly or anything...it's just kind of meh to me. I honestly like the F-150 dash layout a lot better. Mine's a pretty simple XLT without a lot of features, but it has everything I want, including an 8" touch screen, backup camera, in-dash trip computer with plenty of info for me, enough power points and USB ports(that I rarely ever use anyway except to load new wallpapers onto my screen), and storage.
I will say that I find the RAM interior to look a lot better than the GM interior as far as aesthetics go. GM hasn't had a good looking truck interior since 2006. I really liked that dash layout, but of course the cab was a lot smaller than the Ford at the time. I think the RAM 1500 is targetted more at people who want a luxurious hot rod(which there is absolutely nothing wrong with...I love driving my parents' 300C).
09-28-18, 12:15 PM
#51
I can't help but laugh at that.
Ram has the 1/2 ton truck segment in the bag, both with tech/features, and with initial build quality. There isn't a better looking, riding, feeling or sounding interior in a half-ton on the market.
Reliability over the long-term remains to be seen, but I don't imagine this gen will be any worse than the last, which weren't bad. I would know, I have had 5 of them personally.
Ram has the 1/2 ton truck segment in the bag, both with tech/features, and with initial build quality. There isn't a better looking, riding, feeling or sounding interior in a half-ton on the market.
Reliability over the long-term remains to be seen, but I don't imagine this gen will be any worse than the last, which weren't bad. I would know, I have had 5 of them personally.
Still waiting to see which of the big three will get their turbo diesel to 1,000ft-lb first
Ram 3500 6.7L I6 385hp 930ft-lb
Silverado 3500HD 6.6L V8 445hp 910ft-lb
F-350 Super Duty 6.7L V8 450hp 935ft-lb
09-28-18, 01:40 PM
#52
Super Moderator
Interesting that they're all so close in torque values, and the Ford/GM have basically the same hp, while the Ram is dramatically lower in that category. I realize hp isn't why you buy these trucks, it just strikes me as odd. You would think the power curves would be similar.
09-28-18, 01:43 PM
#53
Interesting that they're all so close in torque values, and the Ford/GM have basically the same hp, while the Ram is dramatically lower in that category. I realize hp isn't why you buy these trucks, it just strikes me as odd. You would think the power curves would be similar.
09-28-18, 03:34 PM
#54
Super Moderator
09-28-18, 03:53 PM
#55
Lexus Fanatic
09-28-18, 05:35 PM
#56
Lexus Test Driver
That was my first thought too, figuring maybe the V8s just rev higher--larger displacement/cylinder might mean lower peak rpm--but they all seem to top out at around 3800 rpm. Just a curiosity is all though, not something of great import. Definitely agree that it'll be crazy to see a pickup cross the 1/2 ton-ft mark.
They all rev to 3800, but the HP is a function of torque at a certain RPM, and the nature of the I6 is that it builds it's torque lower in the RPM band and then starts to fall out of it earlier as well. The V8's don't hit it as early, but they have a flatter curve, keeping their power longer through the powerband.
09-29-18, 05:45 AM
#57
no etorque, no 12" screen, no reclining rear seats, no vented rear seats, no vibration cancelling actuators on the frame, undoubtably the best interior by far, but GMC has the best features? Besides the tailgate and rear view camera, the Sierra is more of the same.
Last edited by 4TehNguyen; 09-29-18 at 05:48 AM.
09-29-18, 08:15 AM
#58
Lexus Fanatic
Fair points. However, I was saying from more of a form and function. Ram is like a luxury vehicle. The Sierra is more of a truck.
09-29-18, 01:16 PM
#60
Lexus Test Driver
He does make a fair point, Jill. If we're comparing them as luxury vehicles(and the Denali was the proto-Luxury truck), the Ram is definitely the class leader right now hands down. On a forum such as CL, that's a perfectly reasonable angle from which to view this decision anyway.
I personally am fine with more of a work truck-mid range option, so the F-150 suits my comfort needs(and I assume the Silverado/Sierra would as well) while giving me more capability in terms of payload or towing than the RAM offers.
And I just would be hesitant to spend that kind of money on a RAM given Dodge's long-term reliability history. It's possible that they've greatly improved it, but they need a generation or two of reliability under their belt to get that reputation fixed. Even most 4th gen trucks aren't old enough yet to have built a reliable reputation.
I personally am fine with more of a work truck-mid range option, so the F-150 suits my comfort needs(and I assume the Silverado/Sierra would as well) while giving me more capability in terms of payload or towing than the RAM offers.
And I just would be hesitant to spend that kind of money on a RAM given Dodge's long-term reliability history. It's possible that they've greatly improved it, but they need a generation or two of reliability under their belt to get that reputation fixed. Even most 4th gen trucks aren't old enough yet to have built a reliable reputation.