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sounds like a user issue. At least in the Ram the volume **** is a decent distance away from the rotary shifter. Why even use the volume **** when you have steering wheel controls. Complete user error there
I disagree that it is just a user-issue. Steering wheel controls for the radio don't cover everything....typically just volume/mute and a basic station switch between the pre-set stations.
love having the space freed up in the console where the shifter would be, and its a much cleaner look to the interior not having a column shifter sticking out.
I'll agree to an extent, but, IMO, GMC, on the new Acadia, came up with a better design than a rotary-****......the row of horizontal push/pull buttons down underneath the climate-controls. Lincoln also has what IMO is a sensible design.....only with vertical-buttons.
Ram has a mute button, there is no need to be cranking a volume **** to mute. The rotary **** is located where a key or push start button would be, why would anyone be reaching there to change the volume. User error.
I'll agree to an extent, but, IMO, GMC, on the new Acadia, came up with a better design than a rotary-****......the row of horizontal push/pull buttons down underneath the climate-controls.
No, that's absolutely horrid. Great idea to put the manual shift controls on the passenger side of the car, as far away from the driver as possible. In fact, this was ranked the second-worst shifter on the market, behind only the Jeep one that actually killed people:
It’s called the Electronic Precision Shift, and it moves shifter from a traditional gearshift to a series of buttons spread across the center console. Reverse and Drive buttons appear to have been rescued out of the power window switch parts bin, and the Park button is in a position guaranteed to be pushed at an inopportune moment, such as hurtling down the highway at 65, trying to find the heated seat button. The selectable lower gears (the “L” with the “+” and “-” buttons) look as inconveniently placed as possible. Maybe it’s there to give the passenger something to do.
Even the stupid Pilot/MDX mess of a shifter is better than the travesty that GMC vomited up.
On the other hand, the Lincoln design you also referenced is totally fine. Might not be my absolute first choice, but it's logically laid out, doesn't waste space, and perhaps most importantly, is within easy reach of the driver.
If it's a big GM truck/SUV with a big V8, I want that column shifter. I'm hopeful GM won't bow to the pressure and phase them out with the trucks. There are actually a lot of people who feel the same as I do, actually, hence why they haven't changed it.
Ram has a mute button, there is no need to be cranking a volume **** to mute. The rotary **** is located where a key or push start button would be, why would anyone be reaching there to change the volume. User error.
Actually, there is. If you press the mute button on the Stereo in any FCA product, and then shut off the car, the next time you start the car you will hear the radio again. It resets the mute every time the power is cycled. Conversely, turning the volume all the way to 0 instead, the stereo will remember the setting.
#firstworldproblems
Originally Posted by AJT123
If it's a big GM truck/SUV with a big V8, I want that column shifter. I'm hopeful GM won't bow to the pressure and phase them out with the trucks. There are actually a lot of people who feel the same as I do, actually, hence why they haven't changed it.
The thing is, times change. The column shifter of the 80's and 90's as you know it has already changed. They are now electronically controlled in half-ton trucks. There isn't a physical linkage between the transmission and the shifter like their used to be. Its all shift-by-wire. There are detents in the mechanism that make it "feel" as if you are actually moving a linkage, but you are not.
The above does not apply to heavy duty (3/4 ton and above) trucks. Most, if not all, still use traditional linkages.
Seriously. Outside of a luxury car, a gearshift does just fine. I like the feel of the shifter, even if it's electronic. And it really doesn't get in the way of anything at all when it's on the column.
No, that's absolutely horrid. Great idea to put the manual shift controls on the passenger side of the car, as far away from the driver as possible. In fact, this was ranked the second-worst shifter on the market, behind only the Jeep one that actually killed people:
Even the stupid Pilot/MDX mess of a shifter is better than the travesty that GMC vomited up.
On the other hand, the Lincoln design you also referenced is totally fine. Might not be my absolute first choice, but it's logically laid out, doesn't waste space, and perhaps most importantly, is within easy reach of the driver.
I honestly do not believe that there are worst design of 2017 web pages. It blows my mind that automakers have gone away from something that is so simply to use if they just left it alone. Who would thought that most Toyota and Lexus models are coming. The new ES and Avalon shifters are so easy to use, they now have a button. Luckily Lexus is not putting the shifter behind six menus where you need remote touch to shift from park to drive and vice versa. Glad Toyota and Lexus are staying traditional.
I had a Ford Fusion rental last year that had a rotary shift, but it was on the center console. At first I didn't like it but I got used to it and actually did start to like it. It became intuitive quickly.
Still though, give me a physical gearshift (or a column shifter in a truck).
Seriously. Outside of a luxury car, a gearshift does just fine. I like the feel of the shifter, even if it's electronic. And it really doesn't get in the way of anything at all when it's on the column.
Correction, even in a luxury car a gearshift works just fine lol
Originally Posted by mmarshall
Well, you seem to like the rotary-**** in your Pacifica....or, at least, you haven't complained much about it.
We sat in the new interior today. Both the High Country Chevy and the Sierra SLT. Didn’t drive it as we didn’t want to be bothered with salespersons. 100% that the new Dodge Ram has a better and more luxo interior. However, we find there is just something so much more appealing about the Chevy and GMC.
We sat in the new interior today. Both the High Country Chevy and the Sierra SLT. Didn’t drive it as we didn’t want to be bothered with salespersons. 100% that the new Dodge Ram has a better and more luxo interior. However, we find there is just something so much more appealing about the Chevy and GMC.
Right, Chrysler products suck overall. That said, I'm sure the Ram is the best built and toughest out of the whole line of FCA.
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