No One Is Buying The Lincoln Continental
03-30-18 | 06:11 PM
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I think you are gonna need to concede. The Continental should have a RWD set up. I am now convinced of this based on the MY article and what most of the people on here are saying.
03-30-18 | 06:43 PM
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Well, first, of all, I'm not really fighting with anyone. We're having a sensible, mature adult discussion on luxury cars, so it's not a matter of "concession". Opinions can differ......and I respect yours as much as anyone else's. My own is that, having owned and driven many FWD cars over the years, I see little need for RWD for most typical American driving conditions, or unless one wants to do corner-carving at higher speeds, where the inherently better-balance of RWD platforms does have an advantage. And most luxury sedans, whether FWD or RWD-based, have an AWD option, which, IMO, makes both set-ups a more or less moot point.
03-30-18 | 06:47 PM
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Well, first, of all, I'm not really fighting with anyone. We're having a sensible, mature adult discussion on luxury cars, so it's not a matter of "concession". Opinions can differ......and I respect yours as much as anyone else's. My own is that, having owned and driven many FWD cars over the years, I see little need for RWD for most typical American driving conditions, or unless one wants to do corner-carving at higher speeds, where the inherently better-balance of RWD platforms does have an advantage. And most luxury sedans, whether FWD or RWD-based, have an AWD option, which, IMO, makes both set-ups a more or less moot point.
03-30-18 | 06:52 PM
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Fair enough. Opinions noted. But I don't see, though, where RWD would necessarily improve sales. Right down the street, at the Caddy dealer, you've got a bunch of RWD sedans sitting around collecting the same dust that the Continentals are.
03-30-18 | 07:12 PM
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These days, consumers are more informed about platform sharing. While great for the automaker, consumers are smartening up, and realizing they can get a fully loaded Fusion with more features than the base Lincoln model.
Maybe its the automaker's fault for down marketing luxury features to economy cars (5-10 years ago, you wouldn't think a Hyundai Elantra would have heated rear seats and be available with semi autonomous safety tech). The gap between the mainstream and luxury brands are blending.
Maybe its the automaker's fault for down marketing luxury features to economy cars (5-10 years ago, you wouldn't think a Hyundai Elantra would have heated rear seats and be available with semi autonomous safety tech). The gap between the mainstream and luxury brands are blending.
As a luxury-only car buyer for many years, I took the plunge for the first time on a mainstream brand (Stinger) as there's virtually no difference in build quality, tech, and performance over comparable luxury models.
Since tech is not a major differentiator, biggest issue for me with the Continental is it's missing a polished quality interior to really compete.
03-30-18 | 07:49 PM
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100% agree.
As a luxury-only car buyer for many years, I took the plunge for the first time on a mainstream brand (Stinger) as there's virtually no difference in build quality, tech, and performance over comparable luxury models.
Since tech is not a major differentiator, biggest issue for me with the Continental is it's missing a polished quality interior to really compete.
As a luxury-only car buyer for many years, I took the plunge for the first time on a mainstream brand (Stinger) as there's virtually no difference in build quality, tech, and performance over comparable luxury models.
Since tech is not a major differentiator, biggest issue for me with the Continental is it's missing a polished quality interior to really compete.
03-30-18 | 07:58 PM
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I think your comment is rude, but I'm not going to reply in the same manner. I didn't say that there are no differences. I've driven two of those cars myself (with plans to maybe try the new LS500 shortly), and there certainly are differences. I just don't think they are all that big....not as significant as some make them out to be.
03-30-18 | 08:00 PM
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No, you said “The difference between those 4 cars in MTs view was not that great” and that statement was not true.
Personally I find your refusal to let any viewpoint challenge your own is rude too. As Jill said people who,actually buy these cars have repeatedly said RWD is a requirement. And he fact is, the car isn’t selling well. Yet you continue to say RWD isn’t necessary in th segment simply ignoring all of us who are actually consumers in th segment. Over, and over, and over again.
Personally I find your refusal to let any viewpoint challenge your own is rude too. As Jill said people who,actually buy these cars have repeatedly said RWD is a requirement. And he fact is, the car isn’t selling well. Yet you continue to say RWD isn’t necessary in th segment simply ignoring all of us who are actually consumers in th segment. Over, and over, and over again.
03-30-18 | 08:27 PM
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No, you said “The difference between those 4 cars in MTs view was not that great” and that statement was not true.
Personally I find your refusal to let any viewpoint challenge your own is rude too. As Jill said people who,actually buy these cars have repeatedly said RWD is a requirement. And he fact is, the car isn’t selling well. Yet you continue to say RWD isn’t necessary in th segment simply ignoring all of us who are actually consumers in th segment. Over, and over, and over again.
Personally I find your refusal to let any viewpoint challenge your own is rude too. As Jill said people who,actually buy these cars have repeatedly said RWD is a requirement. And he fact is, the car isn’t selling well. Yet you continue to say RWD isn’t necessary in th segment simply ignoring all of us who are actually consumers in th segment. Over, and over, and over again.
Let he who is without.... yada, yada.
03-30-18 | 08:46 PM
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No, you said “The difference between those 4 cars in MTs view was not that great” and that statement was not true.
Personally I find your refusal to let any viewpoint challenge your own is rude too. As Jill said people who,actually buy these cars have repeatedly said RWD is a requirement. And he fact is, the car isn’t selling well. Yet you continue to say RWD isn’t necessary in th segment simply ignoring all of us who are actually consumers in th segment. Over, and over, and over again.
Personally I find your refusal to let any viewpoint challenge your own is rude too. As Jill said people who,actually buy these cars have repeatedly said RWD is a requirement. And he fact is, the car isn’t selling well. Yet you continue to say RWD isn’t necessary in th segment simply ignoring all of us who are actually consumers in th segment. Over, and over, and over again.
Originally Posted by MattyG
People, glass houses, stones Let he who is without
Let he who is without
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03-30-18 | 09:06 PM
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Back on topic, here are Continental sales month by month since 2016. I tried to copy the table itself, but it wouldn't take....but you can see it on the link.
Anyhow, sales have been averaging, give or take, about 1000 or so a month, though they are down the first two months of this year.
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...ntinental-new/
Anyhow, sales have been averaging, give or take, about 1000 or so a month, though they are down the first two months of this year.
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...ntinental-new/
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03-30-18 | 09:22 PM
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It was directed more at the other poster. Ironically I agree with the opposite side of this argument. Lincoln needed to go all in and make a proper n-s rwd layout to be taken seriously. But obviously their new CEO wants trucks, suvs and you can have all the rwd goodness anyone can want on a non-sedan platform.
03-30-18 | 09:27 PM
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It was directed more at the other poster. Ironically I agree with the opposite side of this argument. Lincoln needed to go all in and make a proper n-s rwd layout to be taken seriously. But obviously their new CEO wants trucks, suvs and you can have all the rwd goodness anyone can want on a non-sedan platform.