2019 Cadillac CT6 V Sport with new 4.2l TTV8
#16
AWESOME!!!!! Cadillac is kind of defined by the V8 IMO, they were the first ones to offer an overhead valve V8 in 1949, which kind of started the horsepower wars of the 50's/60's IMO. Cadillac holds the record for largest displacement engine in a production car at 500 cubic inches.
I'm hoping this V8 is a lot more reliable than the last "Cadillac" V8, aka the Northstar.
Still though, this looks to be a really expensive and kind of niche product, I'd really like to see more affordable V8 engine options in the ATS and CTS, even if this means they are just warmed over truck engines. Nothing wrong with the 5.3 and 6.2 V8 truck engines IMO, they'd work great in cars and give Cadillac something to brag about, V8 power where your competition is offering 4 or 6 cylinder engines for the same price. Just saying on cheaper platforms, don't charge much of a premium, maybe like a $2000 stand alone option for the truck V8. Those that want the V8 power can have it, those that want better fuel economy can have that too with the 4 cylinder or V6. Give people some choices here Cadillac, nobody wants the same engine in a $50-60k Cadillac that you can get in a $20,000 Chevy Cruze or Malibu.
I also see no problem selling a truck engine Cadillac. Trucks are premium now days, status symbols, put some truck engines in your lower line cars. You already sell a $100,000 Escalade with a truck chassis and truck engine, no reason you can't sell a fun hotrod version of the ATS with about 400hp for 50k with a good old V8. I mean 4 years ago Cadillac, you were selling a 562hp, supercharged V8 monster CTS-V for about 60k.
I'm hoping this V8 is a lot more reliable than the last "Cadillac" V8, aka the Northstar.
Still though, this looks to be a really expensive and kind of niche product, I'd really like to see more affordable V8 engine options in the ATS and CTS, even if this means they are just warmed over truck engines. Nothing wrong with the 5.3 and 6.2 V8 truck engines IMO, they'd work great in cars and give Cadillac something to brag about, V8 power where your competition is offering 4 or 6 cylinder engines for the same price. Just saying on cheaper platforms, don't charge much of a premium, maybe like a $2000 stand alone option for the truck V8. Those that want the V8 power can have it, those that want better fuel economy can have that too with the 4 cylinder or V6. Give people some choices here Cadillac, nobody wants the same engine in a $50-60k Cadillac that you can get in a $20,000 Chevy Cruze or Malibu.
I also see no problem selling a truck engine Cadillac. Trucks are premium now days, status symbols, put some truck engines in your lower line cars. You already sell a $100,000 Escalade with a truck chassis and truck engine, no reason you can't sell a fun hotrod version of the ATS with about 400hp for 50k with a good old V8. I mean 4 years ago Cadillac, you were selling a 562hp, supercharged V8 monster CTS-V for about 60k.
Last edited by Aron9000; 03-22-18 at 01:39 AM.
#17
This will not move a needle for Cadillac. They are in complete disarray and rightfully so. From the moment they've transitioned from rebadged Opel Omegas to first ever CTS they've NOT been able to produce a coherent product. And mighty Lord knows they've tried to battle on all the fronts from entry luxury, performance luxury and folding hard top coupe to flagship sedan with the newest CT6 and they have failed every single time. Why? Because building cars is not as simple as chasing trends by giving few hot features while completely neglecting everything else including some basic stuff as well.
From my tenure in automotive design one thing has stuck with me "whole is greater than the sum of its parts", I've been told that numerous times and I have experienced it as well. So did you. This is even more so evident in premium badge segment where the standard bar is raised quite high. Here on forums we might argue every flagship needs V8, this car needs this much performance, all cars should be RWD and so on but the foundation is always coherence. It's very hard to come by but it's the single reason why Cadillac is not selling, why Lincoln is not selling, why Acura took a dump while back and why Infiniti lost it's way. There is some solid feeling when you get behind the wheel of a Lexus or Audi or Bentley that you really cannot pin point your finger at what actually is but it's all parts working together to make a superior machine. Very few pieces are idle or missing while in Cadillac there are huge gaps in blue print and many gears spinning in isolation instead of synergy (figuratively of course).
Putting a modern V8 in CT6 is a quick patch and free PR from Magazine publisher but it will not solve CT6 core problem which is GM's poor culture in R&D and product design.
From my tenure in automotive design one thing has stuck with me "whole is greater than the sum of its parts", I've been told that numerous times and I have experienced it as well. So did you. This is even more so evident in premium badge segment where the standard bar is raised quite high. Here on forums we might argue every flagship needs V8, this car needs this much performance, all cars should be RWD and so on but the foundation is always coherence. It's very hard to come by but it's the single reason why Cadillac is not selling, why Lincoln is not selling, why Acura took a dump while back and why Infiniti lost it's way. There is some solid feeling when you get behind the wheel of a Lexus or Audi or Bentley that you really cannot pin point your finger at what actually is but it's all parts working together to make a superior machine. Very few pieces are idle or missing while in Cadillac there are huge gaps in blue print and many gears spinning in isolation instead of synergy (figuratively of course).
Putting a modern V8 in CT6 is a quick patch and free PR from Magazine publisher but it will not solve CT6 core problem which is GM's poor culture in R&D and product design.
#19
It still lacks the road presence of a true flagship. When a Genesis G90 looks more commanding and compliant than a Cadillac it’s time to rethink things. The rear seat is still less roomy than its competitors. And it lacks power rear shades on the rear doors like the Genesis.
#22
Is this the CTS-V, or is it a step below? The numbers don't imply that it's a step below....meaning what's with "sport" being added after the V. Meaning a BMW M sport is not an M, just as a C43 AMG is not really an AMG....
#23
Is there a math algorithm that predicts when the number of electrical and mechanical parts is so large that the car cannot be diagnosed or repaired?
We're certainly getting close. The Airbus A320 reached that point 5 years ago - they still don't know why they catch fire.
We're certainly getting close. The Airbus A320 reached that point 5 years ago - they still don't know why they catch fire.
#24
The CT6 is a much larger car than the CTS. The CTS-V is powered by a supercharged V-8 and is a factory hot-rod. It is kind of extreme for daily use for most of us. There is a CTS V Sport that has a turbo V-6 which is more of a normal sedan with good performance. Since this is identified as a V Sport, it likely is not as high performance as a CTS-V but more livable for daily use.
#25
The CT6 is a much larger car than the CTS. The CTS-V is powered by a supercharged V-8 and is a factory hot-rod. It is kind of extreme for daily use for most of us. There is a CTS V Sport that has a turbo V-6 which is more of a normal sedan with good performance. Since this is identified as a V Sport, it likely is not as high performance as a CTS-V but more livable for daily use.
#26
You could get a BMW (and I by all means am a BMW fan) but so many auto reviews in the past few years have favored the Cadillac sedans over the competition. I haven't read my C & D (BMW and Driver?) this month that prominently displayed the M5 in front of the CTS-V, but Ill be curious to see what they say.
#27
You could get a BMW (and I by all means am a BMW fan) but so many auto reviews in the past few years have favored the Cadillac sedans over the competition. I haven't read my C & D (BMW and Driver?) this month that prominently displayed the M5 in front of the CTS-V, but Ill be curious to see what they say.
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