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First Drive Review2019 Genesis G70
A fresh face with impressive moves.

Drivers looking for a compact luxury sports sedan rarely have had such a broad variety to choose among when seeking a dancing partner for back-road adventures. The German triumvirate—Audi A4, BMW 3-series, and Mercedes-Benz C-class—occupy center stage, but there’s no shortage of viable alternatives from Alfa Romeo, Cadillac, Jaguar, and Lexus. To that list, now add the Genesis G70, just the third nameplate from Hyundai’s saucy upstart luxury brand and the first to be wholly developed from the outset to wear its winged badge.

Highs
Well-executed design, solid construction, sporting dynamics, there’s a manual option.




Lows
Tight rear seat, 2.0-liter engine short on character, automatic doesn’t shift as sharply as competitors’.



Genesis may be fairly new as a stand-alone brand, but the G70 arrives fully baked, a contender that cedes no ground to the established players. That makes it a suitable turning point to punctuate the marque’s transition that begins in August, moving away from the “sold at your Hyundai dealer” status that has prevailed since 2015 to the launch of Genesis’s own dedicated sales network. Those dealers may wait for the brand’s range of crossovers and SUVs before they build separate stores to support the “you’re special” ambience that courts luxury-segment customers, but they now have an excellent guidepost model that points to the future of Genesis.

Dynamic Mojo

Over mountain roads in New Hampshire on the way to and from the challenging 2.5-mile Club Motorsports circuit in Tamworth, the G70 proved itself a quiet and elegant means of taking in the sights among summer traffic but fully able to entertain when a nice stretch of hilly terrain opened up. What was more impressive was its behavior on the track, where we lapped hard on a variety of turns laid over the hills. We drove only V-6 cars there, in both rear- and all-wheel-drive configurations, and the only surprises they presented were the happy sort. All of these cars ran 19-inch Michelin Pilot Sport 4 summer tires, which are widely available throughout the range. Turn-in response is quick without being twitchy, the brake dive and acceleration squat we felt in the prototypes we drove last summer has been quelled to insignificance, and the transmission behaves admirably whether left to itself or manually shifted via paddles. The steering calibration on the production models now has the firm on-center feel we found lacking in the prototype, and the wheel delivers proportional responses and a good sense of load building in turns. The electrically assisted steering features a rack-mounted motor, which in our experience gives better feel than when located on the steering column. Sadly, like most of its competitors, the G70 lacks any real through-the-wheel feedback about road texture or even bumps. That said, the 2.0-liter Sport model, which we “autocrossed” on the facility’s go-kart track and drove much more on the open road, has a crisper, sportier steering feel, aided by the reduction of weight over the front axle. These first impressions after only one day’s driving—split among the various drivetrain and equipment configurations—are of necessity brief. So intriguing is this newcomer to the dance, however, that you can rest assured we’ll be examining the G70 more closely in the coming months. The cars should be on sale starting in August, and while Genesis has not finalized prices, it says we can expect the G70 to range from about $35,000 for a rear-drive 2.0T to $50,000 for the top-tier V-6 with all-wheel drive.

Promises Delivered

The G70 joins the mid-size G80 and large G90 sedans, but unlike those models its roots can’t be traced directly to Hyundai-badged predecessors. Using a shortened version of the same rear-drive platform that underpins the Kia Stinger, it was designed and developed as a Genesis from day one, and we opined that it showed great promise after we drove the aforementioned prototypes in Korea. Now we’ve driven production models, and the G70 does indeed deliver. Lighter and nimbler than the Kia, it’s also more handsomely designed and better executed throughout. Its solid chassis, refined demeanor, and vice-free behavior when pressed hard all measure up to the high standards that prevail in this class. We’ll still need to get G70s to our test track and drive them more extensively before we can say exactly where it stands in this hotly contested segment, of course, but for now we can say it’s very good. We detailed the exterior design’s origins in our earlier prototype-drive story. In its final form, the G70 is on the large end of the spectrum for this segment—although its back seat isn’t. The car is a little lower and wider than most, and it looks handsome without being a stunning departure from sports-sedan norms. Depending on where you’re standing, you might see elements that resemble the BMW 3-series, the Alfa Romeo Giulia, or the Jaguar XE. This is the first stage of a Genesis design language evolving under chief Luc Donckerwolke, which will be more fully expressed in future models, and it puts primary importance on proportion and stance. When we parked the cars at some upscale resorts along the Maine coast, it drew people to walk around it, taking it all in, some confessing they’d not heard of Genesis before. We had expressed early doubts about the interior, which on the prototypes leaned toward the dark and conservative ambience of a BMW or Audi. The production cars were slightly more daring, with contrast stitching in gray or red on black leather and a few color combinations including burgundy shades on the upper doors and on the dashboard cover. The overall impression was of high-quality materials deployed liberally in a driver-centric cockpit. The G70’s cabin is neither as jaw-droppingly gorgeous as we’ve found in recent Volvos nor as disappointingly bland as the Jaguar XE’s. There are two special launch editions. One is designated Design and executed with Black Forest Green paint (a very grayish green) over a beige interior, while the sportier one is dubbed Dynamic and has a red exterior and black quilted-leather upholstery highlighted with red seams. The latter appeals to the track-day driver by starting with the Sport package specification and adds more cooling capacity, specific suspension tuning, performance brake pads, Michelin Pilot Sport 4S summer tires on 19-inch wheels, and your choice of rear- or all-wheel drive. Both launch-edition cars are V-6 models.

DIY Shifting

The base turbocharged 2.0-liter inline-four produces 252 horsepower when paired with Hyundai’s own eight-speed automatic transmission, which sends a stout 260 lb-ft of torque to either the rear or all four wheels. Opt for the Sport model with the 2.0-liter and you get a limited-slip differential and upgraded brakes; a six-speed manual transmission is optional on this trim level and brings with it a 3-hp bump for a total of 255 horses. It had been indicated to us earlier that the manual would be a first-year-only offering, but Genesis brand chief Manfred Fitzgerald says that’s now not the case and that it will stay in the lineup as long as there’s sufficient demand for it. Something on the order of 5 percent of overall G70 sales is projected, and Fitzgerald says he “would hope 5 to 10 percent of 2.0-liter customers” will choose the stick. This four-banger with a manual may be a small part of the mix, but the impression it makes among enthusiast drivers may be disproportionately influential in the perception of Genesis as a maker of sports sedans on par with the world’s best. That you don’t have to settle for a stripper model to get the manual seems to us a wise choice, as does the inclusion of a performance-enhancing limited-slip diff, a sport exhaust system, and Brembo brakes with four-piston calipers up front and duals in back. There is equipment you can’t have with the manual, but it’s mostly of the electronic driver-aid variety, such as adaptive cruise control and automated emergency braking, the sort of semi-autonomous features that might demand declutching to avoid stalling the engine. The clutch-pedal action is moderate, neither particularly light nor heavy, and the shifter similarly takes a modicum of effort to slide into the easily found gates. The throws are slightly longer than we’d like, and there’s just a little more distance between the brake and gas pedals than is ideal for heel-and-toe execution; there’s opportunity, perhaps, for a short-shift kit or a wider brake pedal for aftermarket parts shops aiming to get in early on the G70. The engine’s output and responses are good if not particularly characterful, with abundant torque at low rpm. Step up to the twin-turbocharged 3.3-liter V-6 and you must forgo a clutch pedal in exchange for 365 horsepower, more than you’d get from the German brands without going into their expensive M/AMG/RS realms. Operating through the same eight-speed automatic as the 2.0T, this engine can propel the rear-drive G70 to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds, Genesis claims. We’ve done it in 4.4 seconds with the same powertrain in the longer, heavier Kia Stinger, so that estimate sounds conservative. All automatic G70s come standard with a launch-control function, although, no matter the mode, the gearbox didn’t shift as crisply as the best transmissions. All-wheel-drive 3.3Ts also have a “drift” setting that skews the torque split further rearward and incorporates yaw damping control and “countersteer detection logic” to lend subtle assistance to your exhibitions. Genesis, of course, has no heritage. G70 owners won’t be able to brag about how many times the maker has won Le Mans as do those with Jaguars, or how it invented the car as do Mercedes-Benz owners, or how it originated the whole compact-sports-sedan segment like folks with a BMW. Genesis may resonate, though, for those convinced that the history of achievements now attributed to “old white men” are not the whole story, who embrace diversity as a strength and not as something to fear. For them, the G70 could be the start of a new tradition of driver’s cars that can trace their origins to Korea.





https://www.caranddriver.com/genesis/g70

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They are functional vents.
Yeah I am sure they are.....
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Originally Posted by 97-SC300
Yeah I am sure they are.....
Yeah, I'm sure they are.....



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I am sure those stupid vents help it so much....
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I am sure those stupid vents help it so much....
come on get serious. you were called out for being flat wrong, and if those vents were on a lexus you'd be gushing over them.

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come on get serious. you were called out for being flat wrong, and if those vents were on a lexus you'd be gushing over them.

I would not be. Look at any of my posts. I don't go around defending Lexus. They made alot of questionable products and design choices over the years that I am not a fan of, just like many others on here.
The point is, those fender vents look like dog sht and I would love to see a case why they are truly needed. Those brakes would fry and overheat on any track anyways after less than 5 minutes of hard driving. That's a guarantee.
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Originally Posted by 97-SC300
I would not be. Look at any of my posts. I don't go around defending Lexus. They made alot of questionable products and design choices over the years that I am not a fan of, just like many others on here.
The point is, those fender vents look like dog sht and I would love to see a case why they are truly needed. Those brakes would fry and overheat on any track anyways after less than 5 minutes of hard driving. That's a guarantee.
Really?
The track drive is a lead-follow format run at a relatively conservative pace, but the experience is fast enough to get a good feel of the car. Down the front straight, I see speeds in the 120s before asking the fade-free Brembo brakes to slow things for Turn 1. Turn-in again happens immediately, and hitting your marks are a simple point-and-shoot affair with the help of the sticky Michelin tires and limited-slip differential. In the really tight areas, the G70 is communicative, letting you know when the front tires are reaching their limits, allowing you to make adjustments accordingly and extract max capabilities.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...-drive-review/

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Originally Posted by 97-SC300
I would not be. Look at any of my posts. I don't go around defending Lexus. They made alot of questionable products and design choices over the years that I am not a fan of, just like many others on here.
The point is, those fender vents look like dog sht and I would love to see a case why they are truly needed. Those brakes would fry and overheat on any track anyways after less than 5 minutes of hard driving. That's a guarantee.
Always thought Lexus had faux quad exhausts? The G70 is a nice car. Much better looking in person while on the road in traffic
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Originally Posted by KDX
If they can build a quality product at a good price, it will be successful. At the end of the day I doubt the majority of car owners will care less about whether or not some people say their car has similar looks to another brand. Some may even take it as a compliment. How many years did it take for Lexus to settle into the current spindle grill and over all 'look'. This is still a first gen car and will evolve over time.
Their product is no higher in quality than anyone else for the price. They have not innovated any new manufacturing or engineering techniques that would indicate otherwise.

Lexus has been innovating in design since the original SC400 back in 1992. And let's not pretend Hyundai is just beginning. Their premium ambitions started with the original Genesis sedan back in 2009. Now almost 10 years later it's the same strategy of derivative design.


Originally Posted by bitkahuna


come on get serious. you were called out for being flat wrong, and if those vents were on a lexus you'd be gushing over them.



No one would be gushing over those hideous/tacky vents. This is a Lexus vent:
2019 Genesis G70-k9svgpy.jpg

But in the same vein, there are these hideous things:


Which I hope are removed in the refresh model.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Burns
Their product is no higher in quality than anyone else for the price. They have not innovated any new manufacturing or engineering techniques that would indicate otherwise.

Lexus has been innovating in design since the original SC400 back in 1992. And let's not pretend Hyundai is just beginning. Their premium ambitions started with the original Genesis sedan back in 2009. Now almost 10 years later it's the same strategy of derivative design.





No one would be gushing over those hideous/tacky vents. This is a Lexus vent:


But in the same vein, there are these hideous things:


Which I hope are removed in the refresh model.


This is about 2015 if I remember right.

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This is about 2015 if I remember right.
The RC-F's design was frozen long before 2015, first spyshots of production bodies appeared in 2013. Design would have been frozen for 2 years by then.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Burns
The RC-F's design was frozen long before 2015, first spyshots of production bodies appeared in 2013. Design would have been frozen for 2 years by then.
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Opt for the Sport model with the 2.0-liter and you get a limited-slip differential and upgraded brakes; a six-speed manual transmission is optional on this trim level and brings with it a 3-hp bump for a total of 255 horses. It had been indicated to us earlier that the manual would be a first-year-only offering, but Genesis brand chief Manfred Fitzgerald says that’s now not the case and that it will stay in the lineup as long as there’s sufficient demand for it. Something on the order of 5 percent of overall G70 sales is projected, and Fitzgerald says he “would hope 5 to 10 percent of 2.0-liter customers” will choose the stick. This four-banger with a manual may be a small part of the mix, but the impression it makes among enthusiast drivers may be disproportionately influential in the perception of Genesis as a maker of sports sedans on par with the world’s best. That you don’t have to settle for a stripper model to get the manual seems to us a wise choice, as does the inclusion of a performance-enhancing limited-slip diff, a sport exhaust system, and Brembo brakes with four-piston calipers up front and duals in back. There is equipment you can’t have with the manual, but it’s mostly of the electronic driver-aid variety, such as adaptive cruise control and automated emergency braking, the sort of semi-autonomous features that might demand declutching to avoid stalling the engine.
This is the best kind of willing commitment from an automaker to put a product out there for buyers who go out of their way for manual transmission cars. That's not even a high projected take rate at all. Audi's A4 and S5 had about the same and they killed their manual offerings. BMW just offed manuals in the non-M 3-series even though there was a similarly low take rate. Cadillac is completely killing off the ATS sedan and coupe altogether and both offered manuals. For Hyundai to commit to the manual G70 so long as they represent a mere 5-10% of overall model sales is commendable.

Unless we're talking about a BMW M3/4 or M2 I would definitely consider this car over a comparable BMW 3 or Audi A4.


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quote from this review cracked me up...

https://gearpatrol.com/2018/09/13/genesis-g70-review/

Who They’re For: The line-topping G90 two steps above the G70 is a proper luxury cruiser — a chauffer-ready waft-mobile that, like its S-Class, A8, and 7-Series counterparts — will ensure that you arrive at work refreshed. You’ll be in a safe place; cared for, with that glint of well-being in your eye. Good for you! The mid-range G80 — shorter, spryer-er — will energize you for your work day. You’ll arrive ready to take on the world, kick butt and still be your best self. With the G70 — well, you just won’t show up for work at all. Screw that. This is a driver’s car, so that’s what you’re going to do with it.
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