2019 Genesis G70
12-27-18, 12:43 PM
#496
Lexus Fanatic
No I do not miss the concept. Like I said, he said there are other cars in the segment that are quieter than the G70 at 70 dB, yet he still gives the G70 A- Full of BS and biased on his on his part. The G90 gets an A+ for 68.5 dB while the LS500 gets a C for 70.5dB...so if the G70 is a C at 70 dB and Alex claims there are cars that are quieter than the G70, how many dB does a car need in the segment to get a B let alone a C....
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 12-27-18 at 01:35 PM.
12-27-18, 01:02 PM
#497
Lexus Champion
If he gave the G70 a B vs. the A- would that be better? I'm not sure what any of these individual small points make.
12-27-18, 01:06 PM
#498
Racer
12-27-18, 01:57 PM
#500
Lexus Fanatic
Like I said, it’s a subjective review. The ratings are his opinion on how the car compares to its competitors in certain areas. Not sure why this bothers you so much. If you don’t like his reviews just don’t watch them.
12-27-18, 02:07 PM
#501
Lexus Fanatic
To me, the key selling point of the G70 is that a buyer can get the V6TT for the same price as German 2.0T versions, when equipped similarly. Not so much about setting trends--by definition, very few cars are "trend setters". It's all about what is the buyer's priority; I'd seriously consider the V6TT to replace my 328 (but I haven't driven the G70 or the Stinger, with either engine option, so that could easily change).
As far as "well rounded", that's what the bulk of buyers want; that's why the F30 3-Series moved away from "Ultimate Driving Machine" yet sold more than ever before.
As far as "well rounded", that's what the bulk of buyers want; that's why the F30 3-Series moved away from "Ultimate Driving Machine" yet sold more than ever before.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 12-27-18 at 02:12 PM.
12-27-18, 02:35 PM
#502
Lexus Champion
I have a '14 CPO 328. Original sticker was $52,500 (in 2014) with 2.0T and xDrive. It's well equipped, but no HUD, no active safety features like blind spot protection or active cruise. That price gets you pretty close to a top of the line G70, and definitely a top of the line Stinger GT2. With 100+ more HP than a BMW 330. To me--that's the draw.
12-27-18, 02:57 PM
#503
A similarly equipped 3-Series will easily be $5,000 - $10,000 more.
I have a '14 CPO 328. Original sticker was $52,500 (in 2014) with 2.0T and xDrive. It's well equipped, but no HUD, no active safety features like blind spot protection or active cruise. That price gets you pretty close to a top of the line G70, and definitely a top of the line Stinger GT2. With 100+ more HP than a BMW 330. To me--that's the draw.
I have a '14 CPO 328. Original sticker was $52,500 (in 2014) with 2.0T and xDrive. It's well equipped, but no HUD, no active safety features like blind spot protection or active cruise. That price gets you pretty close to a top of the line G70, and definitely a top of the line Stinger GT2. With 100+ more HP than a BMW 330. To me--that's the draw.
12-27-18, 03:10 PM
#504
Lexus Fanatic
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And you’re biased against Hyundai as you’ve stated you would NEVER buy one. when comments go to absolutes any objectivity is out the window. I think your bias makes your react more to alex’s bias, and i agree he’s clearly a big hyundai fan.
i ‘never’ imagined i would buy certain brands, but i never shut the door. Every day’s a new day and new models from brands i’ve never owned come along and may resonate wih me at time. right now i could imagine my next vehicle could be from a wide range of brands, including lexus of course and certainly brands i’ve never owned yet.
i ‘never’ imagined i would buy certain brands, but i never shut the door. Every day’s a new day and new models from brands i’ve never owned come along and may resonate wih me at time. right now i could imagine my next vehicle could be from a wide range of brands, including lexus of course and certainly brands i’ve never owned yet.
Last edited by bitkahuna; 12-27-18 at 03:15 PM.
12-27-18, 03:25 PM
#505
Lexus Champion
No. Not right now. But it's an astonishing benchmark for a Korean sedan. The 3 still owns this market. But five years or 10 years down the road, that could change. Sure the Germans are special in their own way, but now they have some competition and it's coming from an unexpected new rival.
12-27-18, 04:16 PM
#506
Lexus Fanatic
And you’re biased against Hyundai as you’ve stated you would NEVER buy one. when comments go to absolutes any objectivity is out the window. I think your bias makes your react more to alex’s bias, and i agree he’s clearly a big hyundai fan.
i ‘never’ imagined i would buy certain brands, but i never shut the door. Every day’s a new day and new models from brands i’ve never owned come along and may resonate wih me at time. right now i could imagine my next vehicle could be from a wide range of brands, including lexus of course and certainly brands i’ve never owned yet.
You know something Bitkahuna, I will take what you said into consideration going forward.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 12-27-18 at 05:07 PM.
12-27-18, 04:18 PM
#507
Lexus Fanatic
While that is obviously not your fault (the onus is on the car's designers, not you), with today's technology and methods in how to to control noise, IMO there is little excuse for that. It's probably just an attempt to save money on sound insulation. The Mercedes S-class does it right....at a cost. The Lacrosse also does it right, considering its sub-40K price, half that of an LS.
In fact, that's one of the things you and I agree on, even if there is plenty that we disagree on. I haven't done an LS500 test-drive yet, but, based on everything I've seen written and reviewed on it (and my own static-review), I'd also chose the 460.
Car and Driver doesn't go into the kind of detail Alex does.....not even close. I've been reading C&D for almost 40 years.....back when Rich Ceppos was writing for them, along with Brock Yates (a classic blowhard who I couldn't stand LOL), Csaba Csede, and Patrick Bedard.
In fact, that's one of the things you and I agree on, even if there is plenty that we disagree on. I haven't done an LS500 test-drive yet, but, based on everything I've seen written and reviewed on it (and my own static-review), I'd also chose the 460.
And again remember, this is just a guy with a dayjob making YouTube car reviews for fun and a little profit. This isn’t Car & Driver.
Last edited by mmarshall; 12-27-18 at 04:24 PM.
12-27-18, 04:51 PM
#508
Lexus Champion
Car and Driver doesn't go into the kind of detail Alex does.....not even close. I've been reading C&D for almost 40 years.....back when Rich Ceppos was writing for them, along with Brock Yates (a classic blowhard who I couldn't stand LOL), Csaba Csede, and Patrick Bedard.
12-27-18, 05:37 PM
#509
Lexus Fanatic
Watching AoA. So the LS500 has a 70.5 dB and gets a C while the CT6 (which can only grow in sales) gets a 70 dB but is rated an A- Just absurd bias by Alex on Autos, while a G90 gets an A+ at 68.5 db.
12-27-18, 05:38 PM
#510
Lexus Fanatic
While that is obviously not your fault (the onus is on the car's designers, not you), with today's technology and methods in how to to control noise, IMO there is little excuse for that. It's probably just an attempt to save money on sound insulation. The Mercedes S-class does it right....at a cost. The Lacrosse also does it right, considering its sub-40K price, half that of an LS.
In fact, that's one of the things you and I agree on, even if there is plenty that we disagree on. I haven't done an LS500 test-drive yet, but, based on everything I've seen written and reviewed on it (and my own static-review), I'd also chose the 460.
In fact, that's one of the things you and I agree on, even if there is plenty that we disagree on. I haven't done an LS500 test-drive yet, but, based on everything I've seen written and reviewed on it (and my own static-review), I'd also chose the 460.
Its three things in the LS500. First is engine sound, and the fact that by design the engine is louder in the 500 vs other vehicles in this class and the 460, and the F Sport is louder than the base car. Its part of the overall "sportier" nature of the LS500. The LS500 is also a front mid engine design and the engine is closer to the firewall and the passenger compartment. Second I chock it up to fat, runflat tires which contribute road noise. Competitors like MB and BMW use runflats also but they have had a lot of experience hiding their characteristics. I have a feeling that if you swapped the runflats out of the LS500 it would have a big impact.
Car and Driver doesn't go into the kind of detail Alex does.....not even close. I've been reading C&D for almost 40 years.....back when Rich Ceppos was writing for them, along with Brock Yates (a classic blowhard who I couldn't stand LOL), Csaba Csede, and Patrick Bedard.