Dave600hL

And I will kick and scream to fight this way of thinking from car makers.

Och

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17 cylinder supercharged electrodiesel.

UDel

I would have loved to see a Bugatti ultimate luxury sedan with a 16 or 18 cylinder.

They had a couple 18 cylinder concepts that never made it to production. The Bugatti EB 118, EB 218, and 18/3 Chiron.

blacksc400

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Stroock639

my gen E55 had to use that ancient transmission since it's all that could handle the torque, and it honestly still feels great to drive. it shifts very nice and buttery at low speeds and moderate driving, and really bangs out a kick down when you step on it. it's admittedly nowhere near as good for performance as like a DCT or something, but for the kind of car it's in and how it'll primarily be driven, i think it's good enough pretty much forever.

Hoovey689

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I had to double check. That's right:

Wowza Benz!

bitkahuna

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UDel

A electric engine or hybrid does not give the same experience, uniqueness, and lust worthiness as a 12 cylinder or larger engine.

mmarshall

Except maybe for fuel economy reasons, a typical V12 doesn't need a lot of gears in the transmission. Its torque level gives it great flexibility no matter what gear you are in. With the Dodge Viper's V10, for instance, even with two fewer cylinders, torque was so massive, at so low an RPM, that one could easily start from rest in fourth gear, even without much clutch-slipping.

riredale

I don't see any reason for lots of cylinders except for two reasons, (1) engine shape (lots of smaller cylinders for a given displacement) and (2) smoothness.

The shape factor is pretty much irrelevant these days. And smoothness issues go away when you reach 6 or 8 cylinders.

So perhaps the only benefits are sound quality (very subjective) and novelty.

bitkahuna

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and bragging rights. don't forget that.

Stroock639

lol exactly, a V12 has much more "move over peasant" to it than an electric motor does

RXSF

The S65 sedan and coupe both use a 7 speed. I know they were using the 5 for a while, not sure when they made the shift. Check MBUSA

blacksc400

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Probably only recently for this gen, but still, putting 7 speeds when other MB already using 9 speed. I think there just not enough demand for the V12 and MB just doesn’t care to advance it much like their V8 motors

Aron9000

Well this is total bull**** if you are a Pagani fan. The current Huayra supercar uses the current V12 twin turbo Benz motor, its a more tuned version of what is found in the "65" series cars.

So is Benz going to honor their contract with Pagani and keep producing engines for them???? What is the next step for Pagani, do they source their engine from a different manufacturer, make it in house, use a twin turbo Mercedes V8???? IMO using the twin turbo Mercedes V8 would be a mistake IMO, its the same engine as the Mercedes AMG GT, aka Germany's six figure Corvette. I dunno, what do you all think, should the next gen Pagani use a Benz twin turbo V8 instead of a twin turbo V12????? I mean this is a very limited production hyper car, does cylinder count matter??? Does engine pedigree matter??? I mean this is probably going to be the same basic engine fitted into a Mercedes G-wagon, your typical US spec S-class, your typical US spec SL, maybe some upper spec not an AMG E-class sedans, coupes and convertibles. Hell its going to be the same engine as an AMG C-class, that 4.0 twin turbo V8 is the defacto Benz performance engine for the next several years, I just don't think its quite special enough to put into a Pagani, no matter how much hp you get out of it. BTW at 4.0 liters of displacement, if it has 200hp/liter at 4 liters that's 800hp, I mean will that damn thing hold together at that sort of hp and boost, because that is the sort of power you'd expect in a new Pagani.