2018 Mazda6 2.5T Review
06-01-18, 09:25 AM
#31
Lexus Test Driver
I just want to point out the Lexus IS350 does 0-60 in 5.6 and the 330i does it in 5.5 - there isn't much of a difference there. However - the Lexus IS350 will definitely beat the 330i in high end power and have a better top speed. Overall - I think the BMW 320i and 330i aren't good cars. The Lexus IS300/350 achieve similar/better performance with cheaper price. But - the 340i - now that's a real 3 series. The 340i is one hell of a car.
06-01-18, 10:16 AM
#32
Yes I am aware of that. I'm saying if you are going to charge around $35k, 250hp from a marketing standpoint is low. This being front wheel drive will have a hard time putting down all that torque in such low RPM's. They should have pumped 310hp from it with lower torque numbers, even if it is just for marketing it will look better than 250hp only if you use premium and only 227hp if you decide to cheap out on fuel. Not exactly glowing marketing material. If Honda has a hard time moving its Accords with more power, This thing will struggle even more.
Honda has a hard time moving the new Accord, because it's hideous. Power has nothing to do with it, there are overwhelmingly more 4 cylinder variants on the road than V6 variants.
06-01-18, 10:31 AM
#34
Lexus Fanatic
06-01-18, 11:28 AM
#35
Pole Position
Well yea it is hideous, but the Mazda looks great and to some the Camry isnt bad either. Then when it comes to paying close to $35k, for either vehicle, that's when better marketing comes in in the form of higher HP numbers.
06-01-18, 11:29 AM
#36
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06-01-18, 11:39 AM
#37
Lexus Test Driver
People in this price point just want an A to B economy car. So there main concern is probably price - so they are likely to pick up a Camry LE/SE/XSE (non-v6) for cheap.
06-01-18, 11:40 AM
#38
"horsepower is for show, torque wins the race" Mazda6 with 310 ft-lbs. You can "[let's] go places" in your Camry, but we'll be waiting for you past the checkered flag. *Cue the milk and pretty ladies*
06-01-18, 11:43 AM
#39
True. But Honda also don't offer good lease deals on the new Accord. They treat it like its a "premium" car.
People in this price point just want an A to B economy car. So there main concern is probably price - so they are likely to pick up a Camry LE/SE/XSE (non-v6) for cheap.
People in this price point just want an A to B economy car. So there main concern is probably price - so they are likely to pick up a Camry LE/SE/XSE (non-v6) for cheap.
06-01-18, 11:55 AM
#40
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06-01-18, 12:28 PM
#41
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The bread and butter of this entire segment aims for people who don't floor the car for acceleration.
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06-01-18, 01:34 PM
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Looks very nice inside out. Have to give credit to Mazda, they have been churning some excellent cars lately. This would be an easy choice over the Accord if i wanted a Turbo engine. My first choice however would still be the Camry XSE with the excellent NA V6!
06-01-18, 01:52 PM
#43
Lexus Fanatic
I have to agree with sorptd. Although the Mazda6 probably has a more driver-oriented chassis than even the Camry XSE, the lack of a N/A V6 option on the Mazda, and its availability on the Camry, is, IMO, a strong selling point for the Camry. I suspect, though, that the Camry XSE will lose some ride comfort with its lower-profile tires (compared to four-cylinder Camrys). That's one thing I like about the Lacrosse.....it gives you a nice V6 combined with higher-profile tires, softer suspension, and more comfort, without mandatory stiffer-riding sports packages.
06-01-18, 03:49 PM
#44
Lexus Fanatic
I think there are very few people who know or care whether it has a V6 or not. The take rate for the V6 in the Camry is pretty small.
06-01-18, 04:07 PM
#45
Lexus Test Driver
The V6 on the new Camry is still insanely small. The V6 Camry was never really the main seller and I would argue that its even more of a non-seller at this point too. I believe this because the 2018 XSE Camry and XSE Camry V6 have no difference between the cars besides the engine. People, in theory, can buy the XSE Camry and pretend like they have the V6 XSE Camry because there are no visual ques telling the difference.