True.
TMC = Toyota 88% + Lexus 12%

It goes to show that even Lexus has inferior ROI to Toyota, let alone splurge on bodystyle variations like fastbacks etc.

But then Lexus delivers the image, though not as much of an image as BMW.

Do you want image like BMW AG, or ROI like TMC?

 

I would care less, after the 3GS, they all went downhill.

 

 

have no idea your point and it's conflating different things... just because toyota is 'bigger' somehow makes their lexus vehicles 'better'?
you can say bigger must mean better but by that standard mcdonalds makes the 'best' hambugers in the world.

 

Many people including me think they went downhill with the 3GS. It was not a well rated car. I thought they redeemed themselves a bit with the 4GS in most areas except for one huge thing, they took away a affordable V8 option which was a huge mistake. Also bad is the 6 cylinder remained mostly the same from the previous gen and it somehow got a little slower.

 

I don't think he was saying Toyota makes better cars because they are a "bigger" company. I think hes saying Toyota is a better company, IE: more profitable and more business-smart, than the Germans.

 

Sales is sales.
Money is money.
Sales leads to money.
However, just because someone has more money doesn't necessarily mean that they are better than you.

Sure, Toyota Motor Corp has the most equity amongst the auto manufacturers at some US$171 billion, while BMW AG only has some US$66 billion.
Quality is a different topic.
When it comes to quality, it's horses for courses, and each to their own.
Each model has its pros and cons; advantages and disadvantages.
What is great for Jack isn't necessarily great for LexCTJill.
What is best is what best suits our "individual" tastes, wants and needs.

For example.
Canon sells more cameras than all of its competitors added together.
Canon is also said to make more money than all of its competitors profits added together.
However, ask any expert which is better: Canon or Nikon? They will tell you that both Canikon are great, but in different ways...
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Roi seems similiar between bmw and lexus (12% only), and if you verify that then what's the reason for not offering more...

 

before you said sales makes toyota better than lexus. now you're saying quality is...

/exit

 

Eh it comes down to what you want from a car company. Do you want them to spend the money for a giant lineup or would you prefer they use it more conservatively and just offer car/engine options that appeal to the masses.

 

 

Sorry Bit, I thought I said that Toyota has more ROI [not quality] than Lexus, thanks to the sheer volume of the entry level sub-luxury market.

Rolls Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, Land Rover, Jaguar, Lotus, Ferrari, Maserati & Lamborgini - are all great cars.
However, there's just no ROI.

Thus at the end of the day:
BMW owns RR.
VW AG owns Bentley & Lamborghini.
Ford owned Aston Martin, Land Rover, Jaguar & Volvo.
Fiat owns Ferarri & Maserati.
GM owns/owned Lotus & Saab.

Great model vatiations is one thing, but financial performance is something else.

In other words, those cheap bread & butter Golfs & Fiats etc etc - are actually financing the very existence of those exotic cars, which actually run at a loss...
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What are you saying? You make no sense at all. You seem to be all over the place, grasping at whatever straws you can.

 

Sulu, if you tell me exactly what it is that you don't understand, perhaps I can explain for you.
However, trolling without explanation is pointless.