Toys4RJill

SW17LS

The bottom line is...you were wrong...and its impossible for you to admit that.

Toys4RJill

Toys4RJill

SW17LS

That matches my recollection also...

mmarshall

That's pretty close to what I found also. And none of the Blazer variants were done on a crossover chassis.

Sounds like a name that will compete with the Trail-Rated-badged Jeeps.

SW17LS

But they were 4 door. Admitting when you're wrong isn't a weakness, its a sign of confidence and strength. I'm wrong a lot, and when I'm wrong I admit it.

mmarshall

So do I, if and when the circumstances dictate it. In fact, I can start with my own car. Yes, it has given me a lot of driving enjoyment as a daily-driver (I love its riding comfort), but for reliability purposes, it may (?) have been a mistake. Not only the climate-control temperature failure, where it was in the shop for five days, but the 9-speed (9T65) transmission, after a year of service, also seems to have some occasional minor quirks. It may not have been perfected yet, though it basically shifts smoothly most of the time, and has not left me stranded. Other vehicles that use it, such as the 2017 Chevy Malibu 2.0T Premier, 2018 Chevy Traverse, and 2018 Buick Enclave, have also reported some minor transmission problems, according to Consumer Reports. I did not get one of the first vehicles with that unit (it had been used in the 2017 Malibu the year before I bought mine, so my car was not a total Guinea-Pig)...but it is indeed a complex piece of equipment, with a lot of potential failure-points, and some 60 different patents on its design.

So, yes, it's still a little early to tell, but, for reliability purposes, it may have not been the best decision on my part. Getting a 2017 Lacrosse instead (as you suggested I do), with the Aisin-built 8-speed automatic (used only for that one year), may have not been much different...it also had a high rate of transmission and climate-control complaints. The good side to it, of course, is that my Service Advisor is simply superb (he is not only outstanding in his customer service, but has to deal with, poor lady, his laid-up wife with MS)...if he retires or moves on to another job, I'll probably leave GM LOL.

MattyG

So how is GM pricing these? Initial press and GM's website says a shade under $29K for the base model, but most buyers would likely go for a mid level version which has something other than cloth seats, a steering wheel and tires.

So $35K. The Equinox base starts much lower than $30K and the Traverse starts at just over $30K. It's not too bad looking an urban crossover but nothing too distinctive about it either. Looks like Chevrolet wants to cover the unibody crossover segment completely. Trax, Blazer, Equinox, Traverse.

mmarshall

Not quite completely. The giant Suburban and the smaller Tahoe will carry on with truck-frames.

tex2670

I do think GMC would get a version, but I can't imagine they will resurrect the Jimmy or Envoy nameplates. I don't think they have enough name recognition.

SW17LS

So you are continuing to stick to your assertion that there hasn't been a 4 door Blazer in the past despite all of the evidence I and others have shown you? Or are you trying to claim that somehow you never meant to imply that a 4 door Blazer was sacrilege because you didn't know there had been 4 door blazers for 20+ years?

He said "cover the crossover segment completely". The Suburban and Tahoe aren't in the crossover segment, and no crossovers complete at that size class. With the Blazer, Chevy will have every sub segment of crossover competing.

I don't think GMC needs a version since they have the Acadia, which is smaller this generation than the previous one, and the Enclave and Traverse.

mmarshall

I'm not going to argue about this all night, but perhaps the simplest way to describe it is that what I originally referred to as the "true" Blazer was the K5, introduced in 1969, which were all full-size and 2-door, and replaced by the 4-door Tahoe in 1994. There were later 4-door versions under both the Blazer and Trailblazer names, although from different generations and platforms....and it can get confusing. The only reason I brought it up in the first place (irrespective of what was a 4-door Blazer vs. Trailblazer) was that, IMO, it insulted the memory of the K5 two-door Blazer (and the traditionalists who loved it) to hang the name on a smaller crossover vehicle. The claim that it is an insult, however, is simply my opinion, and not necessarily fact, as an opinion like that is subjective. I have felt the same way in the past, a number of times, about attempts by auto manufacturers to re-hang the names of great vehicles in the past on not-so-great replacements.....the worst example possibly being maybe the Mustang II of 1970s. If that explanation isn't good enough for you, then all I can say is....have a nice evening.

tex2670

This is true, but I wouldn't be surprised if GMC just can't help themselves.

Toys4RJill

I did a little research this morning while getting blasted with all my morning emails, at the end, GM marketed the large 2 door SUV as just "Blazer" It was never referred to as K5 Blazer although perhaps it was known in internal documents as such (kind like some people know my 4Runner is built on a 120 chassis) Here is a link Chevrolet Blazer
Then it appears the K5 Blazer was rebranded as Tahoe in mid cycle, kinda like how the Scion iM was then changed to Toyota iM.

Interestingly, upon further research, Chevrolet referred to it as Blazer in many ads.

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The K5 Blazer was not replaced by a 4-door Tahoe, the KBlazer was rebranded as a Tahoe 2 door version. The 4 door Tahoe was introduced at the time, so there were three versions of Tahoe in 1994.

What would you say is the bigger insult? GM keeping the Blazer name alive in crossover form, or Chevrolet in 1994, changing the name of K5 Blazer to Chevrolet Tahoe 2 door?

IMO, its all irrelevant, however I sort of get where you are coming from that it could be considered an insult to those who once had the large Blazers and now they are cross overs.