Rumor: Next gen IS TTV6
#31
That's why I have long suspected that if the 5GS has been axed as Carmaker1 announced, then the 5GS is very likely to be replaced by a Lexus midsize luxury EV which I code name a GSev or GSe.
I don't believe that Lexus would truly axe their RWD-based midsize luxury sedan; Lexus is too smart to do this, IMO.
I don't believe that Lexus would truly axe their RWD-based midsize luxury sedan; Lexus is too smart to do this, IMO.
#32
If the Lexus GS was made pure electric with similar performance figures that of a Tesla Model S while costing 70K, it'll destroy the competition.
#33
#34
german vehicles are are pretty revered here and more popular than people make them out to be... moreso than lexus from my experience.
#35
No demand? As much as I hate Tesla - their Model 3 drew massive hype. If a car company is able to make a 30-40K pure electric car, it'll destroy the market and win. There is a high demand for electrification. The world is moving towards green energy and this is coming from someone that hates electric cars.
They GS hybrid sells horribly because its not a good hybrid... Its a 60K+ hybrid that is huge.
If the Lexus GS was made pure electric with similar performance figures that of a Tesla Model S while costing 70K, it'll destroy the competition.
They GS hybrid sells horribly because its not a good hybrid... Its a 60K+ hybrid that is huge.
If the Lexus GS was made pure electric with similar performance figures that of a Tesla Model S while costing 70K, it'll destroy the competition.
Same with the Prius, the Prius sells because of the Prius environmental name/image/hype, not because it is a great car. The Lexus CT was basically a luxurious Prius and it sold poorly because it did not have the name/image buyers were looking for that says I am saving the world and being "responsible" by driving a Prius.
Outside of Tesla and Prius there is very little or almost no demand for hybrid or electric cars/luxury cars in the US, the US is not moving to electric/so called "green" energy any time soon. It is mainly all about name, branding, image, hype which Lexus or other makers simply don't have when it comes to hybrid/electric cars and Prius and Tesla does. Lexus can make a electric only GS, even if it is good it will not sell because the GS is simply not associated to the green image/hype and that is mainly what those types of buyers want, there is unlikely enough of those types of buyers for a market full of electrics or hybrids, Tesla's and the Prius gets most of them and I doubt that will change any time soon. I am talking about the US market, not the European market, I doubt a electric GS would be big in Europe or Japan either, they may sell better because of their moronic regulating everything to be hybrid or electric but I still don't see them being big.
#36
about not being able to go fast, ha, so yeah, might as well get something as fuel efficient as possble there. in the u.s. of course gas is relatively cheap and loads of people want to go fast or at least know that they could.
#37
No demand? As much as I hate Tesla - their Model 3 drew massive hype. If a car company is able to make a 30-40K pure electric car, it'll destroy the market and win. There is a high demand for electrification. The world is moving towards green energy and this is coming from someone that hates electric cars.
They GS hybrid sells horribly because its not a good hybrid... Its a 60K+ hybrid that is huge.
They GS hybrid sells horribly because its not a good hybrid... Its a 60K+ hybrid that is huge.
For all the talk about the Lexus hybrid simplicity, integrating an electric motor to replace the torque converter of the brilliant ZF 8 speed transmission seems very clever.
#38
Lexus, to me, have abdicated 'performance' in its latest cars, so unlikely to have a faster hybrid than the LC/LS. I think they are leaving 'performance' to the Toyota brand and use BMW engines.
#39
I'm one of those people that think the Toyota Supra should have had the LS TTV6 instead of sharing an engine with the Z4. The only thing "Japanese" about the new Supra is the design and badge.
#40
If Toyota's true idea of performance is to leave it to Toyota brand and use BMW engines, they'll be making a mistake. Toyota's largest selling point is reliable cars. If Toyota double downs on BMW sourced engines for performance, they'll lose their reliability reputation.
I'm one of those people that think the Toyota Supra should have had the LS TTV6 instead of sharing an engine with the Z4. The only thing "Japanese" about the new Supra is the design and badge.
I'm one of those people that think the Toyota Supra should have had the LS TTV6 instead of sharing an engine with the Z4. The only thing "Japanese" about the new Supra is the design and badge.
Inline sixes are making a comeback, however. I think it'd be cool if Toyota had developed one. They could use it in other products.
#41
Yeah. I would rather have uniquely Lexus engines. I guess it was more important to them to just have any inline six engine in the Supra than to spend the time developing one themselves.
Inline sixes are making a comeback, however. I think it'd be cool if Toyota had developed one. They could use it in other products.
Inline sixes are making a comeback, however. I think it'd be cool if Toyota had developed one. They could use it in other products.
Maybe its just me. But I don't think the Supra will sell that well if the rumors hold true.
Its apparently going to be in the 60K range, with a BMW source chassis, with a BMW Source engine, BMW source gear-box, and will be made in Austria. The only thing Japanese about is the Badge, Design and tuning of the engine. I don't think the Supra name will carry the sales. Secondly - for that money - you are in BMW M2 CS territory. Why would someone pay 60K for a BMW Supra over a BMW M2? But someone might pay 60K for a legit Toyota Supra over a BMW M2 though.
#42
Yeah. I agree. I find it important for Toyota to make their own engines. Whether it be for Toyota and Lexus - Toyota has to make their own. This will allow them to source it to other cars within their line-up and retain their reliability status. I love BMW Inline6 Twin Turbos - they are really good engines but they are completely crap in reliability.
Maybe its just me. But I don't think the Supra will sell that well if the rumors hold true.
Its apparently going to be in the 60K range, with a BMW source chassis, with a BMW Source engine, BMW source gear-box, and will be made in Austria. The only thing Japanese about is the Badge, Design and tuning of the engine. I don't think the Supra name will carry the sales. Secondly - for that money - you are in BMW M2 CS territory. Why would someone pay 60K for a BMW Supra over a BMW M2? But someone might pay 60K for a legit Toyota Supra over a BMW M2 though.
Maybe its just me. But I don't think the Supra will sell that well if the rumors hold true.
Its apparently going to be in the 60K range, with a BMW source chassis, with a BMW Source engine, BMW source gear-box, and will be made in Austria. The only thing Japanese about is the Badge, Design and tuning of the engine. I don't think the Supra name will carry the sales. Secondly - for that money - you are in BMW M2 CS territory. Why would someone pay 60K for a BMW Supra over a BMW M2? But someone might pay 60K for a legit Toyota Supra over a BMW M2 though.
But I would agree Toyota Motor should be producing their own engines, because a Toyota buyer is expecting a certain level of set it, and forget it. There's no way Toyota lacks the resources to produce a good engine.
#43
btw my n54 has been 100% reliable, I listened to the unreliability talk and bought a factory extended warranty. Yep, I lost.
But I would agree Toyota Motor should be producing their own engines, because a Toyota buyer is expecting a certain level of set it, and forget it. There's no way Toyota lacks the resources to produce a good engine.
But I would agree Toyota Motor should be producing their own engines, because a Toyota buyer is expecting a certain level of set it, and forget it. There's no way Toyota lacks the resources to produce a good engine.
Agreed on the last bit. Toyota buyer expects something. And the common Toyota buyer might not want to pay 60K for a BMW sourced Supra. And the common BMW buyer might not want to pay 60K for a BMW sourced Supra when they can stay BMW loyal and get a BMW M2 CS. Toyota definitely has the money to make a good engine - its just that they don't want to which is not a smart move.
#44
I'm not going to deny that there are cases of BMW owners experiencing good reliability regarding their vehicles. However - I'm talking about the general census here. In general, BMW reliability and resale value is not good. I remember the N54 engines had High-Pressure Fuel Pump failures.
Agreed on the last bit. Toyota buyer expects something. And the common Toyota buyer might not want to pay 60K for a BMW sourced Supra. And the common BMW buyer might not want to pay 60K for a BMW sourced Supra when they can stay BMW loyal and get a BMW M2 CS. Toyota definitely has the money to make a good engine - its just that they don't want to which is not a smart move.
Agreed on the last bit. Toyota buyer expects something. And the common Toyota buyer might not want to pay 60K for a BMW sourced Supra. And the common BMW buyer might not want to pay 60K for a BMW sourced Supra when they can stay BMW loyal and get a BMW M2 CS. Toyota definitely has the money to make a good engine - its just that they don't want to which is not a smart move.
#45
I'm not going to deny that there are cases of BMW owners experiencing good reliability regarding their vehicles. However - I'm talking about the general census here. In general, BMW reliability and resale value is not good. I remember the N54 engines had High-Pressure Fuel Pump failures.
Agreed on the last bit. Toyota buyer expects something. And the common Toyota buyer might not want to pay 60K for a BMW sourced Supra. And the common BMW buyer might not want to pay 60K for a BMW sourced Supra when they can stay BMW loyal and get a BMW M2 CS. Toyota definitely has the money to make a good engine - its just that they don't want to which is not a smart move.
Agreed on the last bit. Toyota buyer expects something. And the common Toyota buyer might not want to pay 60K for a BMW sourced Supra. And the common BMW buyer might not want to pay 60K for a BMW sourced Supra when they can stay BMW loyal and get a BMW M2 CS. Toyota definitely has the money to make a good engine - its just that they don't want to which is not a smart move.
I can only Guess that Lexus decided it’s what it’s customers should and should not get.