geko29

Looks like it's actually 9,000. But gas mileage and powertrain longevity would be a major problem. I can't find real-world towing mpgs for the Expedition, but seeing reports on the lighter F150 of 7.5mpg towing a 4,000 lb trailer and 6.5 towing a 6,000 lb trailer. It would have to be abysmal (not to mention well beyond the rated capacity) with an 10-11,000 lb trailer on the heavier Expedition. Maybe 3.5-4 mpg? 9-10 tons total weight is a tall order for a petrol V6, even one with turbos. Also recall that this was 15 years ago, and the Expedition/Suburban were nowhere near as capable then as they are now.

I didn't say I liked it, and there's zero chance I would ever buy one, then or now. But for his (admittedly unique) use case, it was literally the perfect vehicle.

SW17LS

Too small unfortunately. I love the Q7, and looked at one for myself instead of the LS but for the family vehicle the third row is too small (need to be able to put an adult back there) and too little room behind the third row. Same with the XC90, I like that a lot but its too small.

Meant Excursion.

I don't know, the Ecoboost seems to be doing pretty well in the F150s. Pretty much anything towing a load that heavy is going to have abysmal mileage.

geko29

I hear you. Yeah unless you go massive, you won't find an SUV that has the space you need and is eligible for the accelerated depreciation. VW Atlas is reasonably priced and has a comfortable 3rd row (I can sit in it at 6'4", if the 2nd row is slid up just a tad). But 5,997 lb GVWR--Seriously?!?! GLE and GLS are the only other non-gigantor SUVs I've sat in that have acceptable 3rd rows, but of course they're $$$$. Chevy Traverse is 6,160 (similar Buick Enclave is 6,393), so that might be worth a look, and even the top High Country (or Avenir) trim would come in well under your budget. Have not sampled the seats or cargo area myself.

That was why he loved the diesel. Got 9 mpg on the highway, fully loaded and towing a massive trailer. Considering it got like 13mpg completely empty, that's a major accomplishment.

SW17LS

Oh yeah the diesel would be perfect for that use.

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rominl

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i didn't read through the thread but ins some way this is similar to argument between midsize to full size luxury car, like between E class and S class. when you get to a more niche market where volume is generally less, each buyer will have to pay a higher premium, but it is also an indication of "yes i can". call it status or prestige or special need, but that just works for some people.

i can't comment on specific ford models. our GL550 has a 100k tag, which was also good 20k+ over the ML, but the added performance and luxury touches here and there make it all worth it to us. recently we got the GLE350 loaner for a week and honestly i couldn't wait to get the GL back

SW17LS

True, and we already do this. We went to to the beach this summer with my mother and we put them in the third row which was fine.

mmarshall

geko29

How frequent of an occurrence are things like this? Could you just get a right-sized SUV that meets your needs 350+ days/year, and rent a behemoth when you need the additional space?

bitkahuna

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SW17LS

bitkahuna

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UDel

I would just get a new mini van then, they have tons of room and utility, get decent gas mileage, drive more like cars, etc. Some of the new mini vans are pretty nice. Have you tried a Acura MDX, it is a 7 seater, sporty, pretty quick.

Johnhav430

Again take a close look at a brand new Suburban classed vehicle, and it is significantly smaller than the vehicle it replaced, on the inside, as far as cargo goes. The < 2015 had removable 3rd row seats. Before purchasing something like that, it would be advisable to park one right next to a minivan, and be sure the shoe fits, meaning the reduced cargo capacity vs. the minivan. The brand new Suburban, has about 4 cu. ft. more than the original Traverse, which is a crossover. A brand new Tahoe class, has significantly less cargo capacity than an original Traverse.

4TehNguyen

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one thing to note is the expedition/navigator have IRS not solid rear axles like suburban/tahoe/yukon/ecsalades have. Interior space and ride quality improves when going IRS