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Old 09-03-18, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Disagree. It's true that you and I are better off than many others, but wages for the working-class are finally showing some growth after many years of being stagnant, and inflation, for the most part, is being held in check. Gas prices are also starting to drop after their normal summer-driving-season peaks.
Wages are improving, but just wait on the inflation. Its coming.
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But the point of this whole thread is right here is a car model that is cancelled in the US because of the tariffs. So we don't have to wonder anymore if automakers might cancel some models, clearly they are and will.
Its not just 1 model or 1 trim - they canceled their entire Passenger Car lineup!
How does Subaru manufacture cars in US at a profit but a company that has a bunch of manufacturing facilities that are decaying in US cannot? Well thats just an excuse.
Toyota and Honda are still at it and so is GM.

Also why is Ford stock price taking a beating if this is such smart move?

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Ford didn’t cancel their car lineup in response to tariffs. That was done before. The decision not to sell this car here has nothing to do with that.

Japanese carmakers don’t have to contend with the UAW, that’s why they can build cars here at a better profit.
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3

Its not just 1 model or 1 trim - they canceled their entire Passenger Car lineup!
How does Subaru manufacture cars in US at a profit but a company that has a bunch of manufacturing facilities that are decaying in US cannot? Well thats just an excuse.
Toyota and Honda are still at it and so is GM.

Also why is Ford stock price taking a beating if this is such smart move?

Subaru only has one location outside of Japan. They will be making an SUV at the plant as well as one of their cars.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Ford didn’t cancel their car lineup in response to tariffs. That was done before. The decision not to sell this car here has nothing to do with that.

Japanese carmakers don’t have to contend with the UAW, that’s why they can build cars here at a better profit.
I could care less about this model that they cancelled.
I’m talking about the car lineup in US which has historically been Ford’s largest market!

its not like they said oh we are not selling any more cars in Ecuador.

Unions have always been there so now all of a sudden they can’t make it work? Bunch of BS and complete fail by Ford management. I don’t feel any pity for Ford, they get tax breaks and incentives regular folks can only dream of and foreign companies can’t compete with. Least they can do is take care of their employees. Toyota also has to pay many benefits and taxes at home but they are run like a well oiled machine. Ford is the opposite.


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If you couldn’t care less about this model why are you posting in this thread? That’s the topic of this thread.
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Also why is Ford stock price taking a beating if this is such smart move?
Good point. I was wondering more or less the same thing.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
If you couldn’t care less about this model why are you posting in this thread? That’s the topic of this thread.
You are really rude.

The topic and article refers to Ford no longer selling passenger cars in US besides Mustang and the impact that will have.
I suggest you go to Page 1 and READ the article!
It even says this car would be niche seller at best so it really makes no difference at the end of the day.
The real topic is why get rid of all the cars?
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3

You are really rude.
So are you.

I read the article, the vehicle in question is a crossover. Has nothing to do with Fords decision to cancel all of their cars. We already discussed th fact that the car would be a niche seller 5 pages ago.

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Ok let's keep it friendly. Thx.
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And yet Honda, Toyota, Subaru, Hyundai, and Kia manufacture cars here that they can afford to sell. Ford would have to restructure some contracts and their management, but it is possible to profitably manufacture cars here in the US.
exactly!! Stupid ridiculously UAW contracts cost jobs in the United States.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Trump just signed a new trade deal with Mexico, though, that (supposedly) supersedes our former NAFTA deal wth them.
The preliminary agreement on the new NAFTA is premised on preserving supply chains across three countries and not two. Looks like Trump created a problem for himself that he did not need to in the first place.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/naf...ncer-1.4809633
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Originally Posted by bagwell
Stupid ridiculously UAW contracts cost jobs in the United States.
No. UAW contracts are not what makes jobs go overseas. It is that wages and benefits are simply too low in some other countries...in some cases, almost slave labor. The recent tariffs cannot necessarily force other countries to raise the wages, but they CAN make it more expensive for American manufacturers to take advantage of the mistreatment of labor overseas. Trump did exactly the right thing.
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Originally Posted by bagwell


exactly!! Stupid ridiculously UAW contracts cost jobs in the United States.
Originally Posted by mmarshall
No. UAW contracts are not what makes jobs go overseas. It is that wages and benefits are simply too low in some other countries...in some cases, almost slave labor. The recent tariffs cannot necessarily force other countries to raise the wages, but they CAN make it more expensive for American manufacturers to take advantage of the mistreatment of labor overseas. Trump did exactly the right thing.
Creating future job growth, the UAW has done nothing to help. Neither are the Trump tariffs. Toyota, Honda, Hyundai have all been successful by building in the southern states where wages are more fair and benefits are not holding them back.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
No. UAW contracts are not what makes jobs go overseas. It is that wages and benefits are simply too low in some other countries...in some cases, almost slave labor. The recent tariffs cannot necessarily force other countries to raise the wages, but they CAN make it more expensive for American manufacturers to take advantage of the mistreatment of labor overseas. Trump did exactly the right thing.
UAW contracts make labor more expensive in the US, so the absolutely have a role in causing carmakers to send production overseas.
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